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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cars have a use, sure, but designing a city around them is what got us into the mess that is Galway.

    More of the same has never worked, anywhere, when it comes to traffic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    I looked into that ring road. It would have taken a high amount of car traffic out of the city, this lowing more space for public transport and cycle lanes on the city itself.


    Your response isn't well thought out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Here is the kicker - and please read this very slowly lest there be any confusion...

    Galways Ring Road is designed to take cars, vans and lorries off the streets of Galway as traffic travelling to other areas won't need to drive through the streets. Once the streets are less trafficked (post bypass), more space can then be allocated to building cross-city bus lanes, cycle lanes and better pedestrian infrastructure.

    But like everything the greens do - exacerbate the problem now and deliver a half-baked solution in a decade's time.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nope, its designed as a distributor road to open up more land for development

    It would have taken a high amount of car traffic out of the city, this lowing more space for public transport and cycle lanes on the city itself.

    Show me how that happened with the Limerick tunnel then. Thats only a few years old and was built to do what you suggest so surely there is some evidence to show some plan that was put into action right after it opened to reallocate the space it "freed up".

    Simply put, there is no plan, anywhere, by any department or agency, to use this road to free up space for other modes as you describe. If there was you would see a lot less resistance to the project.

    The folks trotting out your idea have nothing to back it up beyond "trust me bro" when all historical evidence shows there will be zero change. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to prove me wrong by providing some evidence of what you describe having happened somewhere else in Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Tullamore is a great example of how a ring-road has enhanced their town centre. Such is the success of the Tullamore ring-road that they're planning to upgrade the link on to the M6 north of the town to enhance safety for the volumes going north along the N80 and N52 routes that merge onto the Tullamore ring road.

    Kilkenny is another example of how improvements are brought about by a ring road, though they need to complete this to the north and west of the city.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sorry, what?

    It's designing a way to free the city of the car. You put a NRR around Cork and you get to close the city island to traffic. 90% of traffic, in Cork City, at peak times is driving straight through because there is no other alternative, given our PT options are terrible and unreliable.

    Clear out the choke point of the City Centre, ban pass through traffic (or massive congestion charge), free up roads all around for buses and bikes, keep traffic pollution away from built up areas, have the city centre livable, and you have an issue with it?

    Having buses run on time, through clear roads, driving uptake in PT, reducing further car journies, allowing for more buses to operate, and you're against it?

    With a cleared out City centre you can have reliable bus routes which can get people from home to work, from further out, so people can use buses to commute from areas which are not realistic now (journey stalled in city centre traffic), and you are against it?

    FFS

    Ring roads work, if they are used correctly. Force traffic onto them and away from the areas they are ringing.

    The M50 is a perfect example of how NOT to do one. Charge people to use it, allow cars through the city centre still, build industry in a ribbon the entire length of it at every junction, all causing it to be overwhelmed before it was even completed.

    To be quite honest; there should have been a bloody metro line built along its entire length, while they were doing it with LUAS/Bus lines running in from it to the centre



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Great to see the Green Grinch foiled. Despite their best efforts Christmas is back to Dublin.


    Irish Times today

    Live crib finds new home in St Stephen’s Green


    VIVIENNE CLARKE and

    SARAH BURNS

    The Green Party Lord Mayor of Dublin has been accused of playing politics with Christmas tradition after a new home was found for the live animal crib.Fine Gael councillor James Geoghegan, who represents the Pembroke district, said he was “delighted” that the event had been restored. “There was never any credible justification to take away the live crib in the first place. The Lord Mayor should never have used a Christmas tradition to make a political statement.”

    It was confirmed yesterday that a new home has been found for the live crib in St Stephen’s Green. Featuring a donkey, two sheep and a goat gathered around a scene which depicts the nativity, it will be hosted at the Summer House in the city centre park from December 8th.

    The decision to abandon the tradition at the Mansion House, which had been in place since 1995, was made by Lord Mayor of Dublin Caroline Conroy, a Green Party councillor.

    Several Green Party councillors did not respond to a request for comment on Tuesday. Speaking privately, one party source conceded that Fine Gael had comprehensively maximised the situation to its benefit – saying it was “top notch trolling”.

    Following discussions with the Irish Farmers’ Association, the Office of Public Works announced that it would return in a new location. The shelter will be installed in line with the Farm Animal Welfare Advisory Council’s guidelines and animals will be tended to onsite every day by their owner and will return to their farm in Wicklow each afternoon.

    ‘Bumper numbers’

    Minister of State with responsibility for the Office of Public Works Patrick O’Donovan welcomed the announcement. He said on RTÉ’s Claire Byrne radio programme that he believed he was “standing up for tradition”.

    Mr O’Donovan said that he anticipated “bumper numbers in attendance” due to the response from ordinary Dubliners and from people around the country who were “horrified when the concept of the crib was being reduced in the fashion that it was”.

    “This is about me standing up for my way of life, the people I represent, rural Ireland, farmers and as well as that the children of Dublin who want to see a live crib . . . the IFA reached out to us, the vast majority of people value tradition and value the Christmas message and they value the crib,” said the Minister.

    Taoiseach Micheál Martin told the Dáil the Government had paid “particularly acute attention” to “the methodology” of the campaign to have the live animal crib back in Dublin for Christmas.

    He was responding to Fine Gael TD Alan Farrell who raised the controversy about the crib when he highlighted concerns about the importance of the “provision of information to the general public” on decisions that affect them.

    Live crib finds new home in St Stephen’s Green



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is there a plan to close Cork City to cars if the NRR is built? Can you link it



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Can you show the plan that redistributed roads in Tullamore to more sustainable modes of transport as a result of the ring road?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Building housing estates that are not linked by PT or AT infrastructure forces residents to use a car thereby creating further car usage. There is a boatload of space already available in the city that can be used for housing but isn't. Its one of the main reasons behind the vacant site levy, trying to force those holding land parcels to use them



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Every attempt to bring in congestion charges is shot down BECAUSE there is no NRR. It's constantly highlighted that charges are a non runner as motorists do not want to be in the city. They are going to work to areas not served by PT and the city is the only route across the river.

    Put in the NRR and implement the congestion charge. Carrot and stick. Green party only ever has the stick



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All good and well saying that but if there is no plan for a reallocation of space to more sustainable modes then it means nothing more than "trust me bro"



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...its a lot more complicated than that, modern society has been effectively designed around the private car, society has been pressurized so much that now, most struggle with 'time poverty', whereby people simply dont have the resources available to them to achieve their needs, including the time to do so, this potentially could be one of the major failings of the newly introduced plastic bottle/can recycling system....

    effectively forcing people out of their private car onto public transport potentially could increase the time required to achieve goals and needs, as the public transport option sometimes requires a considerable amount of more time from the individual to do so....

    if we encouraged, possible even enforced radical work practices such as 4 day week etc, this may offset the potential negative effects of the forced reduction of private transport towards public, simply enforcing the reduction of private transport alone wont work, its just gonna continue to p1ss people off, such polices and approaches are very short sighted, our political institutions cant seem to grasp this at all...

    ...if you re into facts, be into facts!




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    true, but you may need to revise some previous comments such as,

    'Funny how countries spending the most on wind are the dirtiest polluters, while the nuclear states remain the greenest

    2/3rds Irelands installed wind is doing nothing this morning'

    yes movements such as green movements are wrong about nuclear, if we want to have stable energy supplies, nuclear must be a part of that, but ireland may never do so, requiring us to outsource this need, i.e. uk and france etc



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Take a look at the land use zoning map for Galway City, its available on the council site



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    'Funny how countries spending the most on wind are the dirtiest polluters, while the nuclear states remain the greenest

    2/3rds Irelands installed wind is doing nothing this morning'

    noting, germany is a nuclear state, yes its in the process of winding it down, but....

    can you provide us with data to support your claims about irelands wind operations?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's not hard at all but I'll leave you to answer your question



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes, again, nuclear must be a part of our future energy needs or we ll simply end up fcuked, but ireland may never accept this reality, instead opting for outsourcing, which means remaining exposed to external energy market shocks....



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I'm unaware of any party or politician in Ireland that are looking to get nuclear going in Ireland any time soon. With the amount of time it takes and the NIMBYism that would ensue, I can't see it happening in Ireland in my lifetime. I can't see Ireland getting off fossil fuels any time soon either but surely trying to produce at least some of our energy via renewables is better than nothing at all? Or do you think we should just remain completely dependent on imported fossil fuels?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, we re stuck, with the refusal of government parties to engage in viability studies for nuclear power, it probably wont ever happen here, again, we ve opted for outsourcing, this is making getting off fossil fuels almost impossible..... we d probably also need to have referenda in order to remove the anti-nuclear treaties



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    But the greens are gone in next election, why aren't the others pushing for nuclear, SF etc?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we re a strongly anti-nuclear country, its deeply embedded in our political institutions and society at large, this will be extremely difficult to change, and we may have to wait until these exposures seriously undermine our society and economy to even consider this



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    I was going to suggest you google how much these policies are costing people, but I see already people have provided dozens of pages of it, so off you go. Read the thread, knock yourself out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    apologies, you are correct, a dail vote is only required to lift the bans that are in place, mentioned on this site




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    i partly agree, green parties, not just here in ireland, seem to be completely lost with this one, creating 100% renewable networks simply may not be achievable and is simply extremely dangerous, alternatives such as nuclear must be a part of this



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not squirming, just can't be arsed to accomodate your laziness

    Crown Square is about finished, the council are moving their offices there, freeing up the council city center site for housing

    Ceannt Quarter is still going ahead. Same as several other PT hubs, there's going to be a large housing element to it.


    One of the major issues with the city centre is the abject refusal of the council to create a LAP for the area so developers have to take stabs in the dark as to what will or won't be allowed so they always ask for the sun, moon and stars which always results in revisions rather than council saying "this area is ok for 15 storey apartments" and so on. The council are their own worst enemy in the regard.


    The port development was knackered once the port was downgraded from a "port of national significance" to a "port of regional significance". There is a modified plan at the moment being developed which still plans for a lot of land reclamation out into the bay but its still being put together last I saw.

    Then you have Sandy Rd

    Those are the big projects using large land banks. There are loads of smaller land banks spread around the city that are also available.

    As an example, Radharc-na-greine was one that made great use of a land that was being under utilised

    Before and after

    Then you have student accommodation complexes going in at multiple locations, Westside, Dangan, Sean Mulvoy Rd, Dyke Road Uni grounds and so on.

    There are a load of locations around the city that can be developed to accommodate the growing population whereby its possible to live without needing to drive and so not adding to the congestion.

    In addition Galway has recently seen 3 or 4 developments killed by ABP for the very reason I mentioned, they lead to urban sprawl and have no connectivity to PT or AT. ABP are taking a tough line on this now and the planning regulator has already been on to the council about some bonkers zoning decisions recently for the same reason. Expect to see the regulator kill a lot of zoning ammendments they've done. It's already happened to several councils around the country and the Minister has agreed with the regulator every single time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We see all these programmes on T.V. nowadays about how profilers can trace back and see what triggered people into becoming mass killers or even serial killers. I have a theory if the same was applied to the majority of this green cult you would find that they were never able to comprehend the most basic principle of mathematics or economics. But then mathematics, economics or logical deductive reasoning are never a high requirement for becoming a cult member. Especially true of our homegrown variety.

    This idea that the rest of the world will somehow look on what they are attempting to do here and suddenly change their ways and move towards wrecking their economies is demonstrably so far-fetched it is laughable. This present gas crisis in Europe, in large part to Germany and their pushing the E.U. towards Putin`s gas has shown that when their economies are threaten, then as far as the major emitters are concerned, they will burn whatever they can get their hands on. German, that former God of Irish green`s a highly visible example that our lot are now conveniently attempting to ignore. They are also conveniently attempting to ignore that had the rest of Europe followed their "example" on LNG gas prices would still be rising rather than falling.

    Not that they are entirely to blame, both FF & FG are also worthy of a share of that for allowing a tail of the dog party to wag them so they can stay in power. And neither are S.F. who are playing softly-softly with the greens in case the numbers do not stack up as they would wish in the next general election. Anybody that canvasses me for a vote, be it for local, national or even dog catcher elections will get very short shift if they do not rule out all and every form of power sharing with these maniacs and I would encourage anyone else to do likewise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    You ask that question as if to suggest that all people on here who hold the GP with contempt hold most other parties with a beloved fondness. Its far from the truth. Any politician who opposes nuclear, regardless if they are in SF, FF, FG, LAB, Looney Left or Independents are just as reckless as GP on that stance.

    Currently the GP are the loudest drum-bangers when it comes to reducing C02 - therefore they deserve to be top of the list for attracting criticism owing to their well-established opposition to nuclear.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok, maybe I was a bit hard on you horse, here you go

    Note it includes everything zoned as residential so you'll have to zoom in to find undeveloped land but just take a look at Doughiska as an example. A huge amount of land there sitting idle that could accommodate a lot of homes



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