Kenya Ban imminent

Kipchoge will escape the ban, along with the top kenya women

And where did you hear that?

The idea of Nike suffering, while attractive, is naive I think. We've seen this before: Salazar, Armstrong, probably several more scandals that I'm forgetting. They'll drop Kipchoge like a stone if he's sanctioned and cut their ties with that training group. They'll move on to somewhere else and we'll all continue to buy their expensive shoes that we convince ourselves give us that bit of an edge in chasing our goals.

It'll be the clean Kenyan athletes and the upcoming generation who suffer if there's a blanket ban. I've been in Iten myself, a good few years ago now, and when you see the volume of super talented runners there, living hand to mouth in the hope of getting an opportunity to race in Europe, it's not hard to understand why they'd resort to doping to get an edge over the competition. As usual, it's the athletes that will suffer. The coaches, agents and handlers that facilitate the doping will slink off into the background unscathed with their money made. Some of them will probably head to Uganda or Ethiopia to ply their trade.

I know I sound cynical and pessimistic, and I can fully undertand the reasons why WADA etc would want to make an example of Kenya in this case, but I really don't see this seriously hurting anyone other than the younger generation of Kenyan athletes, clean or otherwise. Kipchoge and his generation are already set up for life.

Kipchoge is a massive brand to the marathon like bolt was to the 100m.

Kipchoge getting banned would be a massive own goal as general public haven't a clue about any other marathon male runners

I know for a fact that Adidas go out of their way to try not sign doping athletes

Same cannot be said for their main competitor to the point when I see an athlete wearing a swoosh I assume they are doping

Adidas had Novak from the tennis world on their books for a long time!!!!!!!!

Also had Tyson Gay

I was around when Tyson got busted. They hadnt a fooking clue. I was speaking from athletics POV as that is all i had view of

Its an athletics forum and I only know the person who handles athletes for Adidas

I would be (probably naively too) surprised and saddened if Kipchoge was doping.

A joke, sure the real goat fell out his window while sowing his oats but the world kept turning. Kipchoge is one man, he doesn't define the sport, although some are too heavily invested in him to allow the house of cards to fall.

At least we know now that every single one of them are doping and it will go the way of cycling until they completely gut the sport.

What are they allegedly accused of supposedly taking?

Or is it dodging tests and all that malarkey?

Innocent till proven guilty.

But what I meant was Bolt was built as the hero to the sprints as Kipchoge is to the marathon.

No one is questioning Duplantis in the pole vault.

Yes, there must be doctors and 'bad agents' who are meeting the demand. The athletes who are caught usually deny culpability, often with some outrageous excuses. There is a culture of omerta. Maybe a possible solution is a reduced ban in exchange for admission and information?

I would say they are willing participants, but not always for the glory but rather a path to riches or at least out of poverty. There is a pressure, especially as a running career is short and Kenya has waves of top class athletes going sub 2.10 for marathon etc.. The pandemic also took away almost two years of earning potential for most of them. They may be 'top of the game' but the difference between say, 11th and 5th place in a major marathon could be zero and $20k. Life changing money.

"The indications are yes" - what indications, exactly?

How about attend one of the u16 training camps and you see the size of the lads. This size isn't just reached via hard work