Dangerous Dogs Owners

A ban on owning them and breeding them, strict penalties for those found in breach of that.

Demand will quickly fall away, and so will birthrates of pits. Those currently as household pets will have to be put down. What is inhumane about any of that?

Simply not allowing the dogs to reproduce, say by neutering, is not "human experimentation on other sentient animals". You seem to have gone off on some weird tangent in your head that isn't grounded in reality.

🙄 Ding ding ding, we have a winner folks.

I did wonder how this thread would jump the shark into total lunacy - here we have it. Vets putting down animals, or even animal culls (routinely done all over the world, incl. here in Ireland) is somehow comparable to the Holocaust. Wew

I agree to a point - dangerous breeds should be muzzled. But I think that some breeds are so dangerous that their ownership should be severely restricted. I can't understand why anyone would keep a pitbull as a pet. Other than perhaps for intimidation purposes.

That reply to my question doesn't make any sense, nor does it make any sense as a stand-alone post.

Presumably you're in the UK?

We could neuter all pitbulls in common ownership and only allow breeding for small number of select approved kennels. Keeps the breed alive but takes them out of the hands of the masses.

But why do we have to keep the breed "alive"?

Edit: and to be very clear, I'm not talking about exterminating any extant dogs.

No. The same law applies here I guess. Anyway my land my rules.

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If you'd seen the photos of the young lad in Wexford with potentially life changing injuries you'd probably understand the anger on display in this thread.

The young lad could have been killed himself.

Ultimately some idiot thought it was a good idea to get a breed of dog well known for attacking and indeed killing people. Then decides they are different and that the law around restricted breeds doesn't apply to them. Then decides it's okay to let these animals out unleashed and un- muzzled.

Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots in the world who will do stupid things. You've either got to stop them doing stupid things(bans or restrictions on what they can own), punish them for being stupid (criminal proceedings) or a combination of both.

Will you stop with the macho "tough man, especially on the internet" shite saabsaab, never say anything on a forum that you wouldn't say without your mates falling around laughing at you in the pub!

Just to show the damage out of control dogs can do..

Well that cultural shift won't happen on it's own. The only thing people here understand and gets them to behave is being hit in the pocket.

People here lack civic responsibility and have a problem with following unenforced rules.

As reported this evening

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/1130/1339295-niall-byrne-wexford-charge/

I'd hazard a guess that it escaped from a bad or careless enclosure maybe in a chaotic house with a lot of comings and goings, thus self dispensing of the muzzle law as people don't muzzle their dogs at home. These dogs aren't your average staffie, they're expensive & desirable to idiots and commonly stolen by idiots from idiots (they actually don't make great guard dogs) and are as likely to walk away with a stranger as they are to bite them.

All being said, you're 100% correct. The owner has a lot to answer for for not safeguarding & corralling the dog from the public. Accidental or escape, the consequences are devastating for a beautiful little boy who's life has irreversibly changed physically & mentally. The owners punishment will never ever match the suffering to that of the little boys.

I've dealt with one of the XL Bullies and they're incredibly muscled with necks that are impossible to choke out so if it all goes wrong it's difficult to control, unlike a lot of big heavy dogs they've a low centre of gravity and can defend from below effectivly with all that muscle and that short powerful wide mouth muzzle that allows the devastating molars to work. I found (the one I dealt with) difficult to read with cropped ears. Very very boisterous at playtime & even the bitch was quite dominant. Much harder to read than a lot of big breeds that would signal with ears, tail, tongue flicks, body posture etc.. like your more well established big guard breed - German Shepard, Rottweiler, Dobermann, Giant Poodle, Mastiff, Giant Schnauzer, Ridgeback etc.. whom are relatively easy to read and will tell you if they're pissed off.

They also have an incredible tolerance to pain which is a further problem when things go wrong and victim recovery is acted on.

They're not at all suitable dogs for ownership in Ireland, a country with very little crime, in fact there's only a few very inhospitable places in the world where they could be considered suitable and those areas are covered by typical guard dogs like the Boerboel in South Africa where home invasions are common and the breed is a lot more developed and concentrated for specific tasks.

The breed is new, has an unspecified & ambiguous role in society, they're basically a useless companion dog, damaging and have no cultural affinity with humans other than a showpiece for people with fragile egos, similar to your average teapot dog but with desperate consequences.

Watch this space, Argentine Dogo, Presa Canario & the Bully Kutta are another few seriously unsuitable breeds the man child mouth breathers will get their hands on and start to **** around with in time.

Time to ban these dogs. Owners completely ignore the law, I see these kind of dogs with no muzzles all the time.

Also, law needs to hold owners personally and financially responsible for dog attacks.

In South Africa after a spate of attacks by Pitbull's on children, people have gotten sick of it, and have taken the law into their own hands, and are killing these dogs. Owners are surrendering the dogs due to this en masse.

The current situation is bad for everyone, these dogs will keep on attacking and killing people, dogs and other animals, and will lead to an inevitable back lash against them. Better to humanely stop breeding these animals and have strict conditions on existing dogs, so they can live out their lives peacefully.

They were originally bred to fight bulls in pits, as you say the clue is in the name, they were subsequently used in dog fighting. They were also bred to be non aggressive to people so that their handlers could safely separate them mid fight if needed.

But my point still stands, by eradicating Pitbulls you are not eradicating the problem, you'll just pass it on to another breed. What you need to do is make the consequences of your dog doing damage to people or property so off putting it won't be worth the risk.

100% correct. Inbreeding is inherent in puppy farms and also, if you buy a dog with all the certificates and papers from a reputable IKC show breeder you're most likely buying an inbred dog.

We need to step away from designer dogs and the show dogs are the worst. The perceived "imperfections" disallowed by the ring means a shallower breeding selection.

Get an unwanted lurcher or gaze hound. Unwanted, healthier, calmer, cleaner and less hassle.