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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    If building up slowly, how does a creep feeder work? Do you just fill feeder and leave in? I genuinely don’t know. I was thinking of buying those green plastic sturdy ones from Glanbia. They’re about €380.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Most times you put a creep feeder out, the lambs don't know what meal is and they learn slowly themselves, I don't know how you'd deal with lambs that are used to meal. Even to let a creep feeder empty for 12 hrs leads to gorgeing........ maybe someone else has experience of changing lambs over to creep feeders .

    We use an advantage feeder here , it has slides on it to restrict feeding, it works well but you have to use lamb pellets.

    https://advantagefeeders.ie/product/500/



  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Jd310


    I had 60 ewe lambs outside on a poorish run with access to ad lib meal. Gave them a bale to pick at aswell. The silage was top quality, took them 3 weeks to go through it, the bale lasted that long which was suprising.



  • Registered Users Posts: 947 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    Hi All, i have a batch of texel ewe lambs. My original plan was to kill them when they were fit, but wasnt keeping close enough eye on them because the majority are now 55-60kg. What options do i have?

    1. Send to factory, knowing i will only get paid up to 22kg dead
    2. Sell at mart as breeding hoggets. Is it a bit early in the year to sell them? as in farmers not buying for grass yet
    3. Sell to butcher. Do butcher buy heavier lambs
    4. Hang onto them until later in the year and sell in the mart

    I have very little experience with sheep other than buying some store lambs to run over the paddocks in the winter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Factories will pay to 23kg dead weight but at there weight they will more than likely kill out over 25 kg and ull be penalized. Best bet is mart and they will make over 160 euro now. Seen ones in athenry and ballina mart that weight and ewe hoggets' making 165 euro this week. If enough grass id wait till after st patricks day/first week of april. Ramadan starts 1st april so there will be demand for that and easter so the price will most likely be better, but sell them at the mart factories will screw you with penalties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Where are you based? Might be interested in a few for breeding next year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Is chopped fodder beet an option for fattening lambs? Meal is going to be mad next year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    Anyone at a mart lately..I assume its too soon for store lambs? I have a glut of grass at the moment and would like a few



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Bit early alright, could be lucky and find a few but I suspect you would pay through the nose for them now and lambs at €8.5/kg. If I was you and you just needed something to keep the grass down cull ewes might be a better option but this time of year you would want them sheared and they also could be hard found.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    Thanks for that..I was also wondering about picking up a few aged ewes with lambs at foot ..sell lambs when fit and ewes a while after?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Just went onto LSL after I seen your posts not many store lambs in Stanolar mart this evening, good few ewes with lambs though. There still knocking about at around €200 a piece depending on age and strength of lamb, but if I was you I look for ewes already sheared save you the hassle - 10 ewes fleeces at 2kg a fleece wouldn't even get you and your missus a 99 cone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Will there be many lads buying them this year? Trade is good but meal will be expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Looking at Tullow mart online, 35-39 kgs making 100 with the weight, fat lamb's making 115-120 with the weight, margin would be small even if finished off grass alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,736 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Didn't the fat lambs take a jump back in price last week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    yeah ill buy again , prices will come back once we get into september. grass will disapeer quick from mid august this year with not much fertiliser spread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Some prices in Drumshambo for stores last Thursday

    11 lambs €68 @26kg

    56 lambs €115 @36.5kg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,736 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Wonder will it be another ten days to fortnight before men that have got hay/silage saved off meadows in last few good spells will be coming into the market to buy store lambs?......is there much nice aftergrass coming from the midlands down to Southeast?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Some price's from Tullow yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Young95


    I think light store are gona be a terrible trade this year if your selling. If your buying there will be value got !



  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭Country lad


    sold 60 lambs yesterday to a neighbour of mine as he buys them every year probally averaged about 34 kg and got 97 euro for them happy enough.kept the heaviest and smallest lambs myself as its great to have a good customer for my store lambs .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Are stores a good trade this year? I haven't been in the mart yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭White Clover


    If you're buying, there was better value a couple of weeks back. I heard today that there was a much better trade in Macroom yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    bought 51 last week 38kg averaged 102 eur. reseeded 20 acre field so didnt go to kerry this year, bought a batch of 25kg lambs last year in it and lost a few, ill never buy anything under 32 kg again , trying get stronger lambs from now on. no money in dead ones.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Was hard get 32kg lambs last year at fair value though, I ended up having to buy lighter ones too as didn't want spending over 100 euro for store lambs over 30kg. Luckily they went very well for me, but bought full bred texel ewe store lambs this year at 30kg for 85 euro a piece 8bweeks ago and there averaging 41kg now already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    thats good business



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    That’s serious thrive. I thought a kg per week was good. Fair play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭daviddenis


    Bought light lambs 25/30kg. Puting them into shed with bale and trading them to eat. Shearing and dosing them.

    Would you hetevac p them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    I would always heptavac, especially important if shearing them as they will be more suseptible to the cold even in doors. More than pays for itself with the cost of a few dead ones.

    Will take serious amount of meal now to finnish them lambs. They will at least eat minimum a kilo of meal each a day, and should be gaining minimum 1kg weight a week providing the have a decent frame. My advice would be if they are smallish and don't have a frame that could hold 22kg dead weight then leave them outside and throw your best silage as well as a decent grass field at them and try get a frame on them of at least 35kg before fattening on full meal in the shed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    lost a few lambs to sudden death so heptavp plus everything last weekend, i must have a growing problem of pasteurllia here the last few years so im going to do all lambs on the farm in mid august when weaned from now on and all stores bought in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I lost 4 last year and they got one shot. I have done the two this year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭daviddenis


    It will be interesting I'm going to weigh mine after shear them and weight them after every 30 weeks. I'll see how get on. Pure gamble. 🙈



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    30 days I presume, heed be fairly tuff after 30 weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    one shot runs out after a couple month and is never as strong as two shots



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Yes those died about 10 weeks after the injection.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Are lads feeding much meal at the minute? Only bought 30 this year as I've too many cattle. Was thinking of feeding 3 bags a week for 2 months. What are lads paying for bagged meal at the minute? The grass has been great so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Did you see this utube vlog https://youtu.be/8F6ogprLD2c

    very interesting ... I'd say not many in a rush to feed till price vastly improves. If price doesn't go up to justify feeding then going to have an overhang of hoggets in the spring which will also damage the spring lamb trade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Yeah will be interesting to see the hogget carryover this year



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    A nice shed and race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,621 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Lovely operation.....You wouldn't want to build it on the returns of the store lamb trade.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Definitely not this year, since 2018 there has been fairly decent returns. This year is an absolute disaster, the worst year I have ever seen for store lambs meal up on 13 euro a bag and with the dire prices at the factory now, you called it spot on the carryover into next spring with hogget's for factory will be something fierce and it will F'Up the Easter early lamb trade, where producers will also get hole opened with meal feeding ewes 20% protein nuts indoors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Store buyersare after having a good run in the llast few years alright, plenty were telling me I was mad to be lambing ewes,

    Very little autumn grass and less meal feeding going on has meant a lot of lambs underfinished , so it's a double whammy now, ....poor kill out and poor price



  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Jd310


    I’m feeding hard at the minute inside to get them cleared out. Weighing well and killing out well. Would usually have plenty of bought lambs lying about and not start pushing them on to finish until January or February but I feel there’s going to be a big glut of hoggets this spring, with the amount of poorly done backward sheep that went through the marts this year.

    Will have to see what way it goes but I’m not going to chance it, even if there isn’t a glut I can’t imagine the price would be good enough to cover the meal bill on the long term lambs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭k mac


    Have a few light lambs around 33-35 kgs that i had hoped to let run on and not meal them as i have plenty of grass....but think i will have to bite the bullet and start feeding them . When would i want to have them gone by before they would be classed as hoggets in the factory, i suppose it would be just before early spring lambs come in, would i be right thinking that would be before easter approx



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Any prices this week lads?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Someone here may correct me if I'm wrong put anything come 1st of Jan 2023 will be classed as Hogget's (unless they are new season spring lambs), even though they realistically may still be lambs in age. You will see factories instead of quoting for lambs they will be quoting for hogget's but they will still be the same price up until march time when they will have a higher quote for new season (spring lambs).

    If they have a frame and are sizey at that weight then you could finish them on meal and get them to good dead weight kgs. If they are small then it would be best to wait let them build a frame on grass, then finish indoor come ferbuary/march for 6-8 weeks on meal and pray that hogeet price starts to rise with Easter/Ramadan trade which it may not with the carryover of lambs due to meal prices this year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    It will take alot of meal to put 15kg of live weight onto them for the factory, rough rule of thumb is 6kg meal =1kg live weight,so realistically your talking €40 of meal to see a 34kg lamb to the factory.I wouldn't worry about them getting classed as hoggets as it Will make no difference to the price,spring Hogget price is often more than late summer lamb price



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Is it ok to finish hoggets on hi maize cattle ration? I’ve only 30 and will be feeding a few bullocks as well. Just out of pure handiest. It’s the copper I’m anxious about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Unless it was very very low in copper I would not chance it



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭memorystick


    I've a few store lambs that I bought in and are not thriving. I can feel the bone on their backs and they are loosing a little wool. All lowland type. What is this a sign of? They've been dosed with wormer and fluke. Started feeding meal last week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Did they get mineral dosing, especially cobalt.



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