solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

There is a good example earlier in the thread of this. Landlord presents themselves as the saviour of the poor people looking for somewhere to live

Later on lets slip that if there were not allowed to do airbnb rentals on their property that they would board it up and let it rot

Yes, I would not be terribly concerned about the threat to let a property rot. Even the dimmest landlord eventually realizes that they need to make a return on investment.

Yeah, but don't be too quick to point out that that would not be considered financially sound advice.....you'll be called a "waffler" and told you don't understand

However you did strongly imply that by saying: "However the problem in this country is LL's running for the hills."

The choice to rent out a property long term versus renting it out short term being the only difference between a dysfunctional property market and a functioning one seems a bit delusional to me. I did some searching on the figures you keep referring to of 25,000 Air B&B short term lets being available and found this one with that figure:

The article claims 60% of this nationwide number are entire homes or apartments which means 40% are something else. One of the two times I stayed in an Air B&B rental here in Ireland was in Dublin when I got a birthday present of seeing an Ireland international soccer game and it was equivalent to staying in a regular B&B as it involved staying in a house with the landlord being an elderly couple with the man in need of regular medications from what I could see in the shared living areas of the house. I don't know the full details of the landlord having just met who I assume was his wife but to me it appeared like the extra income from their AirB&B was helping them deal with some serious medical issues. Insisting these types of Air B&B rentals could only be for long term residents is ridiculous and not suited to a couple who would be forced to loose all of their privacy which is still a possibility for them when they don't have guests.

Of the 60% of the listings that are full apartments or houses they may also provide holiday homes or other seasonal use for the owners. The move to introduce new regulations to ban short term lets not only discriminates against the property owners who may well be in need of the extra income but also those wishing to use their short term let like when I wanted to see the game in Dublin that I was given tickets for but would have found a hotel for the game too expensive. You conveniently ignore the impact of thousands of tourists being priced out of visiting somewhere in the country with so many jobs reliant on these people being the customers of various businesses that cater for tourists. You also ignore that the house completion figures in Ireland during the last property boom peaked at nearly 90,000 houses in 2006 and stood at just over 20,000 in 2021. 60% of 25,000 which is what you are really talking about if we cut out the listings that are shared with the owners accommodation is 15,000 houses or apartments which added to the approximate 20,000 house completions in the current dysfunctional residential construction sector is far less than half of the peak production of houses when house prices were still rising before the credit crunch. To me it looks like your suggestion would have a very limited impact on the market with demand not having been met by supply for so long and the negative impacts of the regulations you are in favour of could be catastrophic to a large number of people and businesses.

You might not be aware Bass, but airbnb is also considered a big issue in some countries where they don't have overall housing shortages. Because it can cause hollowing out of city centres. You get loads of airbnbs. That brings in loads of tourists. Less locals living there which means less businesses that serve locals rather than tourists. More shops such as souvenir shops spring up for tourists. So that means that even less people want to live there and it becomes a vicious cycle.

That is why many countries are trying to control it even if they don't have chronic accommodation shortages.

There are lots of options available then and now but competition makes prices for accommodation more affordable and I see no reason to clamp down on what are in the majority small business owners working with AirB&B who have only a limited impact on the lack of supply in the Irish housing market. In my opinion banning AirB&B is not the silver bullet to solve the lack of supply in the Irish housing market some posters would like to make it out to be. There were short term lets before AirB&B made the process more streamlined and accessible but every functioning market needs to have accommodation available at different lengths of tenancy and we already have far too much regulation in the property market as it is in my opinion. Would you like all tourists and people looking to stay somewhere short term needed to go back to the classified section of the local news paper or ask around and rely on word of mouth to find a landlord willing to take some cash for a spare room they might have somewhere for a few weeks?

But let's recognize the fact that they are. Earlier this year when the figures started to be published I proposed figures of 20-25k units by the end of this year since 2016 and that 4-5k LL would be leaving in 2022

So what would you say they were doing. The Indo and other papers like to hint that they are realizing there investment. But paying 33%tax on exit along with 2%between auction and solicitor would not be normal economic behavior

So may e sprinting for the hill is a better analogy than running

Because if they have more than 2, it's effectively a business.

If you tried to sell your property and were not able to, (In this climate) then the price was simply to high.

You may have ideas on what a property is worth, but in reality it's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

I've 100% get what you're saying about about people not willing to rent.

I'm potentially going to moving in with the other half in the next few months and am wondering what to do with my own property, the rental thing scares the hell out of me.

I went through a very tough time and fought very hard trying to get it a few years ago, and I'm not keen on selling it either.

It's a mess.

I have an apartment rented out to Hap tenants who in fairness are very good and never had an issue, I also have a flat I Airbnb in a holiday town I own it outright, we use it ourselves at least once a month and extended family get to use it as well, yes even in winter, if Airbnb was banned I wouldn’t let it out full time we’d just keep using it ourselves, but it’d mean a lot less places to stay in this ridiculously popular holiday town, That has nowhere near enough hotel accommodation. It’s a handy few quid for us when we’re not using it, but if Airbnb was banned not a chance we’d let it out long term,

do the numbers an apartment for between 150 and 200 euro a night is fantastic value for a family, when a hotel room is between 300 and 350 a night, and if you have 3 kids and say two are teenagers they’ll want their own room pushing your costs up to over 600 a night, not many can afford that, banning Airbnb’s would be a death knell for a lot of tourism, and they won’t comeback on the market, a lot of people are like us, use it themselves but Airbnb it if no one in the family needs it, or don’t need it themselves.

We managed just fine before Revolut,, ATMs, online banking credit cards, too.

Is that not totally misleading though as it compares two totally different things?

I mean by default, most rentals (>99%??) are already rented so they wont appear on daft.

And most Airbnbs would have some availability so they will appear on a search.