You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

Stop pretending you don't know that a former President and potential future Presidential candidate didn't host an anti-semite and a White Supremacist at his house last week.

What gave you the idea that this thread was or is only about the mid term elections? Or is that the latest attempt to suggest that this conversation should be wound down?

Didn't you spend time yesterday agreeing with someone that there was too much US focused discussion? Now you think this is only about one event in the US.

Have a read of the OP again to refresh your mind, or have a look at post #1345 if you need to see other topics that warrant mentioning.

US Democrats might be right by various European standards, but they're very much not in the context in which they operate.

In the same way that right and left dynamics in Ireland don't translate directly to what exists in the US or even the UK for that matter, but right/left can still be discussed in the context of each environment.

That viewpoint is prominent people in one of the two biggest parties in the US and the main hosts on the most watched cable news network in the country.

That's it, that's the problem. Not because he exists with the ideas he has, but because so many so close to power have similar. See the problem now?

Repeating this over and over, doesn't make it true, sorry to disappoint. You can't manifest him in to something you want him to be, no matter how hard you try.

Do you want to answer a question asked here today that the poster it was asked of refused to answer.

'Do you think the people who attacked the capitol, could be most accurately described as being right wing, or far right wing?

So all Trumps guys were far right?

Because, that is what you said ;

Well, isn't this curious. A new account, one post, and then account deleted.

Howsoever.

A - Trump most definitely was defeated at the mid-terms, let there be no mistake about that but the Republican party still refuses to condemn him by name and he is still some bookies favorite for their nomination in 2024.

B - If Trump does leave the scene, the replacement is a Trump mini-me who uses the same decorated racism, the same techniques of attacking the press and the same style of trying first to secure the votes of the outer reaches of the party.

C - All House representatives who wanted to hold Trump accountable for inciting an insurrection have been removed from office. Same for Liz Cheney. And all of these were either directly removed, or motivated to by regional party operatives who acted against them. The problem with Trump hasn't yet disappeared. Not by any stretch. MTG is apparently some sort of King Maker within the party now which is evidence of just how infected it has become because of Trump.

D - Yes. Bolsanaro was defeated, you do realize that this Thread was started nearly 8 months ago? Anyway, that aside. Bolsanaro's treatment of the environment, his pushback on medical science and his use of the judiciary to target his opponent were massively impactful things. And politics being politics, in just a few years, there will be another election and no doubt there will be things that people aren't happy about, it's important to kep in mind just what Bolsanaro brought to the table so it knows why he, or his philosophy should be ignored later. Luna only won by 2%, like in the US, the right is still very strong in Brazil

E - This type of short term memory is even more likely to be the case in the UK if Labour do win the next election, the tories and their media will lick their wounds for 2 years before then ramping up and blaming for the issues brought about by Brexit, Austerity and 15 years of Tory mismanagement. The right wing media in the UK is more impactful probably than even in the US and the Tory party starts with a 5-10% advantage in any race because of it in my view.

F - Sweden and Italy have recently shifted towards right wing Governments and elsewhere within the EU, Orban has been taking his lead almost exclusively from the likes of Trump and Bolsanaro.

G - Are you sure the CCP is the greatest threat to the world? After we've watched the US initiate, or get involved in a massive conflict literally every decade since WW2 and Russia is currently involved in invading Ukraine and threatening the security of Europe and beyond. I am not a fan of the CCP and they absolutely do some horrendous stuff, which should be called out and it is worth noting that it mostly left wing people/organisations who actually call them out on this rather than anyone from the right so if they are a problem, and they are, the answer isn't right wing is it? But that aside, I've repeatedly referred in this thread about the dangers that 'we' face, we being the people who contribute and read Boards. The OP challenged the frequent practice on here of getting upset about right wing talking points focused on left wing and liberal ideals and so that is why I am focused on right wing points in a similar manner. And that aside, probably 99% plus of people who have read this thread I expect live in 'Western' society so again its appropriate to focus in this direction. I didn't talk about Duterte in the Philippines either, or right wing movement in Sri Lanka or the coup in Myanmar either for the same reasons.

H - North Korea is an autocratic-Dictatorship and I don't think any serious commentator would pretend otherwise despite what it claims to be. There's a reason why Trump was such great friends with Kim.

I - Trump had dinner with 2 nut jobs. Both of who were then invited on to a very popular right wing podcast. Two sitting House Representatives had recently spoken at a political conference organised by one of these nutjobs. Despite weak claims from Trump and republican leadership against the nutjob, I believe that the significant right wing community in the US will be emboldened at the fact that the meetings took place and will react to those denouncing it in the media with shrugs that 'they have to do that'.

J - This is a lot more than just Trump and a single dinner. He has infected the political landscape in a way that is going to take some time to cleanse. As I said in the OP, the massively impactful things affecting our societies right now, and likely in to the future are the environment, the impacts of Brexit, the fall out of the Ukraine war and the pushback against scientific advice, particularly with respect to health (and the already mentioned environment). For the last 15-20 years, starting with the conflicts after 9/11 and the financial crash major global concerns were driven by right wing philosophy (warmongers with respect to 9/11, reduced regulation with respect to the financial crash). The massive and continued widening gap between the uber wealthy and the rest also could be considered in this manner. The US has just seen half its population be told that they should not be explicitly in control of their own bodies, 1/3 of sitting senators just voted against having an absolute right to be in an interracial marriage. The likely GOP Presidential nominee for 2024 will have some groups of supporters who will fly Nazi flags beside his flag. And for all those who think migration is the biggest issue to be concerned about, the biggest driver of this (outside of war) for the rest of our lifetimes is going to be the impact of the climate crisis, so if your concern is immigration, maybe start asking what is causing it.

K - The left isn't perfect, I've never said it is, it's weakness in some areas is what has enabled Conservatives/Capitalist's to do the damage that they have done. (See Corbyn 2015 - 2019 for example, even Starmer now is weak in areas he should be much stronger, or the fact abortion wasn't codified in the US before Roe v Wade was repealed or that the fossil fuel industry has been allowed to dictate global policy for so long) And no one is calling for communism to be rolled out throughout Europe or beyond no matter who often you say that that is what I or anyone else on here is asking for.

I believe the man is unwell, who knows for sure, you and I are never going to find out definitively. If he is, it will be announced at some point that he is getting care, if he isn't he'll probably use it as some form of a redemption arc at some point.

He has to take ownership over such comments like this, he might be mentally unwell, but he is putting himself on these shows saying these things.

There's something sinister watching himself and Herschel Walker and how the Republican Party has utilized them. I actually think Hershel is a worse case, I don't believe he has any interest in being a Senator and to see him doing interviews with Ted Cruz and Lyndsey Graham beside him feeding him lines, it looks very manipulative. And these are the people who talk about grooming.....

Afraid not.