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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    But how will the fans get there? I suppose you could take the boat and train. But the Aussies or Brazilians would have to set off months in advance.

    If you're going embrace Green thinking, then may I suggest the World Cup is a big no-no!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Can't have wind turbines with in x4 the height or 500M of a house, I'd guess the same applies to an office. Put them at sea off Dublin, kish banks for example



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




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    The updated Limerick Transport Strategy has just been released, lots of excellent stuff in it

    The Cork one was released a few months ago. Looking through the Limerick one gives a good idea of how the Galway transport strategy might be rejigged.

    The full document is available at

    Summary

    The core measures are

    • Improved frequency of public transport services to regeneration areas;
    • The provision of safe and secure cycling facilities;
    • The provision of pedestrian linkages to surrounding areas;
    • Public realm improvements;
    • Reducing the need to own a car and car dominance
    • and Managing the movement of Heavy Goods Vehicles

    Current mode share breaks down as follows with the planned shares listed also

    • Public transport - 4% grow to 13%
    • Walking - 23% grow to 33%
    • Cycling - 3% grow to 10-15%
    • Car - 70% reduce to 41%

    The mode share %'s for PT and cars are not called out the same way so its hard to say what the post implementation % is aimed to be e.g. for bus it states "156% increase in AM peak bus passengers between 2016 & 2040". There are also totals for each of the above called out in various sections which conflict so the %'s are a bit of a mess to be honest but the overall picture is clear regardless of which source in the doc you pick, cars are getting squeezed out and sustainable modes are getting prioritised.

    Walking

    • Priority at junctions
    • Increased permeability
    • Improved accessibility measures in line with universal access standards
    • Multiple audits of areas over the lifetime of the strategy to identify further opportunities for improvement

    Cycling

    • Bike lane network consisting of primary, secondary and feeder lanes with quality & safety level decreasing the further you move off primary
    • Expanded bike share scheme
    • Priority at traffic signals
    • Increase in parking provision
    • Inter-urban and greenway networks completed

    Public Transport

    Bus

    • 4 P&R locations proposed(Ennis rd, M20 raheen, N24 Ballysimon & M7 Mackey)
    • Bus connects
    • Roll out priority measures at multiple junctions
    • Higher frequency
    • More routes

    Rail

    • Dual tracking between colbert & limerick junction
    • upgrade Ballycar line
    • Improve commuter rail
    • New stations at Moyross and Ballysimon
    • Increase frequency
    • Upgrade existing stations

    Cars

    In terms of demand management for cars, theres a lot planned

    • New developments, removal of parking requirements for near city and significantly reduced requirements for parking provision in suburbs
    • Maximum parking provision will be applied in future
    • Undeveloped residential on well served routes must be high density with low parking provision
    • car-free area within 800m of Limerick city center
    • A steady reduction in on-street parking until it is no longer provided (with a few exceptions e.g. blue badge spaces)
    • Increase parking costs
    • Increase costs of parking permits
    • Alternatives to car ownership e.g. bike share, car clubs, bike storage, PT provision, P&R's
    • Traffic signal optimization towards walking, cycling & PT and lower priority for main car lanes
    • If the above does not lead to a significant modal shift congestion charges will be brought in to further discourage the use of cars in the city

    One of the main drivers behind the measures planned is the strategy is now required to meet the national emissions reduction target of 50% emissions by 2030. The document as it stands states it can achieve a 35% reduction. It lists 3 options to achieve the last 15%

    • Increase fuel prices to discourage the use of petrol/diesel
      • Ruled out as not feasible as it is controlled at a national level
    • Increase the amount of emission free vehicles (cars & LGV & HGV) to include battery and hydrogen
      • Possible to do by working with the likes of delivery stakeholders and setting up hubs for last mile low emission delivery modes
      • Not likely to achieve the desired reduction though
    • Implement a congestion charge/low emission zone/tolls
      • A feasible option which can significantly reduce the volume of emissions
      • Not for implementation, yet, but not ruled out for later application

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    There's loads I haven't covered and its about 150 pages long so feel free to waste a morning going through it yourselves



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Interesting little insight into how Big Wind are making out like bandits. Green Wind Energy (Wexford) Ltd. sold a wind farm project in Offaly to SSE Renewables, while retaining a shareholding and future income stream. GWE's understanding was that the project would be bid in one of the Refit or RESS auctions, but SSE instead opted to sell the power under a corporate power purchase agreement. GWE are incensed that they won't be getting their guaranteed free money for fifteen years under RESS but instead might have to actually sell electricity at nearer the going rate. They're suing SSE. Tells you all you need to know about why money has been pouring into renewables and how the money stream will dry up as soon as Big Wind is told it has to operate in a competitive market.




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    yeah, its pretty obvious how much Germany is paying for its over-reliance on cheap gas from a dictator. Next year they are going to land hard I think. They have a lot more pain to go through until they move their economy to more sustainable energy but they'll get there and they have updated their plans several times since the invasion to bring in planned dates a lot earlier. For example, the recently announced gas deal with Qatar in for 15 years, versus a similar deal by China was for 27 years so it looks like Germany has an end date in mind for even the cleanest fossil fuel. Time will tell



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    Cool little vid giving details of the new 90 carriages for Dart due in 2026. This is an additional order to the 95 due in 2025




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    Wind is continuing to take over from fossil fuels on our grid at a growing rate




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A ringing endorsement on the Irish renewable energy transition plans from the EU Commission President, Ursula Von Der Leyen

    “Of course, all of us are feeling the knock-on effects of this atrocious war. For example, the high energy price environment, and here indeed, we are working very closely together first of all to diversify away from Russian fossil fuels with success,” she said.


    “We have saved a lot of energy, we have filled our storages. So we are safe for the winter but of course, there needs to be also an answer for the medium long term.”


    “And here I want to underline how impressive Irish investment in renewable energy is. So you (are on) your best way to become a clean energy superpower in the European Union,” she added.

    💪



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Very irresponsible of Eirgrid to allow 83% penetration. That could have caused serious issues to the grid in terms of frequency and voltage control. While it looks great in a tweet there are real world consequences for being so cavalier with such high SNSP. Their own limit is 75% and fir very good reason.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    No it`s not.

    Wind energy generated the same percentage for 2021 35%, a drop from 2020`s 42%, so unless there is going to be a very windy December getting that 11 month average of 35% up to a 12 month average of 42% is highly unlikely. Even if wind provided 100% for December I cannot see how it would bring the average up to the 2020 42%. There has also been extra wind capacity generation installed since 2020 so at best wind energy is just running to stand still.

    That link of yours is very poorly presented as well. it gives the impression that demand for the month was either 6 GW or higher for practically every day of November.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Germany has been hiding the truth about unreliable electricity generation for over a decade and has been forced to 'fess up now that the cover of cheap gas has been blown away by the actions of the German Greens. The price for that delusion is being paid in skyrocketing energy bills and mass unemployment as production falls due to energy shortages. German industry skirted around the energiewende costs by switching increasingly to gas, the inefficiencies of the generation system did not bother them too much. Now they have to confront and deal with the energy storage problem and their answer: LNG.

    But wait!, lets double down and build more turbines you say . . . After oil and gas, Europe is now running out of wind. The Science™ says wind speeds will continue to fall 6% to 8% across Europe by 2050.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Looks like German is chasing that number 5 spot in the charts of the planets highest CO2 emitters, when barely a wet week ago we were being told Germany was the shining light we should be following. But then that will all be solved when China ramps up its production of green energy tech using more coal.

    Green lunatics really have taken over the asylum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I was reading something recently that mentioned the UN Climate report predicts less hurricanes in the Atlantic as global temps rise. The reason being that it's the regions closer to the poles that warm up faster than the equator. This causes a decrease in temperature difference between the regions and therefore reduces the the turbulence/wind strength in regions like the Atlantic.

    They also mentioned that there was a yet unproven link (all indicators do point to it though) that smog in Europe reduced the Sahara effect on hurricane production in the Atlantic. The correlating evidence stems from large dust storm in the Sahara have a direct effect on the number of hurricanes.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    We’re going to make life very hard & everything very expensive in this country following the green agenda. what will it achieve? only more debt & problems for the next generation.

    The Desertification of land in the rest of the world will still continue rapidly.

    Reality is fossil fuels are going to be needed & around for a long time yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,210 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    has the green agenda made life very hard and everything very expensive yet? doesn't seem that way to me, airports are rammed, restaurants and pubs are rammed, retail sales are about to go through the roof for xmas etc. etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    So Eamon Ryan took a 55 person delegation to COP27 !

    What a hypocrite.

    Do as I say, don't do as I do.



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    Which part of the green agenda are you most worried about?

    The increased provision of public transport, bike lanes and pedestrian infrastructure to reduce the dominance of cars in our cities and thereby making them into more pleasant places to be?

    Maybe the cleaner air and reduced pollution is a problem?

    The reduction in childcare costs?

    The move towards renewable and sustainable energy generation that will mean we will worry a lot less about the price of fuels and the impact the price fluctuations have our own economy?

    Or something else?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    ahh stop lads. There’s businesses closing every day around the country because of the cost of Utilities. Driven by, Carbon Taxes!!

    How is any of that stuff going to stop pollution of water, restoring biodiversity.

    Clean Renewable Sustainable & CHEAP? I can guarantee you now that there’s gonna be nothing cheap about any of it.



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    Carbon taxes?

    Might want to take a look at a gas price chart if you want to understand why energy prices are going crazy

    You're spot on about water and the reduction in pollution is absolutely a priority. The agri sector has acknowledged their role in this and are working on reducing it. Teagasc are taking a lead on this

    Biodiversity, another excellent one to prioritise and the continued and expanded efforts to rewet and restore our peatlands, as one example, offer hope in this area. Reducing the amount of monoculture areas will be a big help and there's a lot more to come on this soon. Note the citezen assembly on Biodiversity just finished up a few days ago and sent its report to the govt for them to start carrying out additional actions




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The only thing about Deposit & Return that I'm annoyed about is that it's not coming in until 2024 when they promised it would be 2022.

    I think plastic bottle and can producers should be sued for the damage they have done to the environment of this country, they have a lot to answer for.

    If the higher price of the containers due to the deposit discourages some people from swilling slightly less Coke or Monster Energy drinks so much the better for obesity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Which part of the green agenda are you most worried about?

    This bit, which you posted yourself:

    The move towards renewable and sustainable energy generation that will mean we will worry a lot less about the price of fuels and the impact the price fluctuations have our own economy?

    It's not going to happen.

    How do I know? Because nobody (including you, but more importantly anybody in a responsible position) has even come up with a back-of-a-fag-packet estimate for the cost. Things that can't happen won't happen. Renewable energy in Ireland has been a gravy train for vested interests. Our first efforts which go all the way back to the 1990s and the disastrous AER scheme became a fiasco of poor planning and management (so, par for the course in Ireland). Only 27% of promised projects ever got off the ground.

    The period since the 2008 GFC has been anything but normal. Historically low interest rates, crazy levels of central bank injected liquidity, and huge amounts of capital sloshing around looking for a return, mean that the field has been packed with players all too ready to chase generous green subsidies. Under the ReFIT scheme suppliers were guaranteed around €80/MWh for a fifteen year period. The RES auctions which replaced ReFIT were supposed to introduce a more competitive landscape, with auctions being awarded to the lowest cost bidders. What happened? The first RES auction came in with about the same price as ReFIT. The second auction came in 30% higher.

    This is not the sign of a technology that is supposed to be reaching the cheap end of the cost curve. It's a sign that the vultures bidding renewables (who are big banks and corporates, and often also oil and gas investors) are getting greedier. That, plus they have seen the warning signs of the end of cheap liquidity and low rates. The only question in my mind is how long the Green lunatics at the helm will keep on pandering to them and paying whatever they demand. And that's the real source of my worries: the Green agenda will fail all on its own because it is incoherent and infeasible (with multiple worldwide examples of failure to choose from), the worry is what sort of economic wreckage they leave strewn in their wake.



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    Speaking of greedy oil and gas

    Profits at the world’s biggest oil companies have soared to nearly £150bn so far this year as Russia’s war on Ukraine pushed up energy prices, according to estimates from analysts.

    Britain’s Shell and France’s TotalEnergies on Thursday reported profits for the first nine months of 2022 of $59bn (£51bn). US rivals Chevron and ExxonMobil are expected to report year-to-date earnings approaching $70bn on Friday, while 2022 profits at Britain’s BP could break the $20bn mark on Tuesday.

    The cumulative takings for the seven biggest private sector oil drillers during the first nine months of 2022 could hit $173bn (£150bn), according to analyst forecasts collated by S&P Global Market Intelligence and reported earnings.




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's more correct to say the climate is never static.

    Post edited by JRant on

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    When Leo takes over the reins shortly, there's a few things he could do straight away to prioritise climate change actions

    1. Leaders must lead - Varadkar can show direct leadership by personally chairing the Climate Action Delivery Board, becoming an expert in climate change and its solutions
    2. Make the climate emergency real - be blunt about how serious the situation is
    3. Lead by example - Government must first show how it is decarbonising its own operations
    4. Equip State bodies and the Civil Service - Government must ensure these organisations are fully aligned with climate action and have the necessary leadership, resources, mandate and accountability.
    5. Use emergency powers to slash fossil fuel power generation - put carbon budgets on the same emergency footing to modernise the grid and accelerate renewables deployment
    6. Walk the walk on sustainable mobility - Government should require that all (not just new and upgraded) urban streets be compatible with the best-practice design standard this decade, becoming car-free before long. It should immediately make towns and cities car-free on Sundays to show people what a pleasant urban realm can look like, and sign the contract for Metrolink with urgency to give the 175,000 Dubliners within walking distance a sustainable and modern transport option. And obviously, new SUVs should be taxed out of existence.
    7. Restore Ireland’s depleted nature with new national parks - Ireland’s native ecosystem, temperate rainforest, has nearly completely vanished. That most people don’t know this fact is a mark of how nature-depleted this country is. New national parks to restore rainforest can be a multigenerational project, like building a cathedral.
    8. Align enterprise strategy with climate policy - IDA and Enterprise Ireland should be tasked with assisting existing industries to decarbonise quickly, with growing only clean industries, and identifying economic opportunities in the low-carbon transition




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭ps200306


    You see, this is why I don't take you as a remotely serious commentator on anything. It took you four minutes to respond to my post with a completely unrelated screed about "greedy oil and gas" (which you clearly had already prepared and just needed to pretend it was a response to something). If you actually knew anything about anything, you would realise that oil and gas producers do not set the price of oil and gas. They are price takers. However, don't let me interrupt your flow. You have no interest in actually engaging on any of the topics here, merely in spamming the board with endless copy and paste jobs that could have just been provided as links for anyone interested. Continue as you were. My mistake for treating your questions as anything other than the rhetorical bleatings of a troll. Won't be making that mistake again.



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    So when companies (including oil and gas) bid on renewables they are vultures out to make a profit, and when they make billions of profit on oil and gas they are poor unfortunate price takers and its not their fault.

    Your logic is funny



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    You are the person making the extraordinary claim that we are currently experiencing catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. The metrics used to measure climate have never been static. All empirical evidence supports the proven observation that climate has always changed. The archeological evidence suggests previous optimum periods have been periods of human advancement, while cooler periods have seen a reversal in human well being.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    Am I reading that right, that you are saying when average temperatures went up an average of 0.5 to 0.8 degree (approx based on the graph for the last 3,000 years), it was a good thing?

    Would that still hold true at 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3 degrees of an increase?



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