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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I thought that that was added by the person tweeting the video, but the infowars logo remains on front of the inserted video all through it.

    That's very sinister. What could they say to attempt to justify that imagery over those words if this actually did happen as it looks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,238 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Has anyone actually argued though that those who see themselves as on the left, should stop looking at the right? By all means knock yourself out; I’m just not sure who the ‘we’ in your above statement refers to as though the right are a danger to people who see themselves as being on the right? The idea of there being any danger to people on the right, from people on the right, doesn’t make any sense.



    Are they? I dunno how else one is supposed to quantify this sort of statement in the opening post that is but an opinion from TMH’s perspective -

    There are no shortage of real world negative if not outright disastrous and terrifying ongoing situations that demand our attention right now, and it feels like this has been the case for at least a few years, if not all the way back to the financial crash in 08.

    That reads like someone getting hysterical to me tbh, about things that in all reality have little influence or impact in Irish people’s lives and in Irish society. I can’t argue with how it feels for TMH, they feel whatever they feel, but from my perspective, it’s critical to maintain a sense of perspective, one that shouldn’t actually include looking for problems to be getting all anxious about. If you go looking for problems, you’re bound to start believing there is no end of them, and if you’re on the left, well, it stands to reason you’re bound to see the dangers to your beliefs, values and principles as coming from the right. How credible is the threat though?

    Or is it just a tiny minority of people whose influence is being magnified within echo chambers, like they’re egging each other on and validating each other to see who can be the most offensive/offended and it really doesn’t have anything to do with wherever they imagine themselves or others in any political framework?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,297 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    murder porn for this audience.

    I guess part of putting kanye in a sock was also a white supremacy thing then, white supremacists don't have to see anybody but white presenters and - well, their gimp. The only black person they actually see is from a film being murdered while he talks about their favorite idol, Adolf Hitler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,297 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Has anyone actually argued though that those who see themselves as on the left, should stop looking at the right?

    Yes, seen several arguments ITT, especially in the past few days that, 'since MAGA lost the midterms, this thread is pointless' very much so imploring that people should stop looking at the right for threats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Has anyone actually argued though that those who see themselves as on the left, should stop looking at the right?

    What was post 1395 arguing?

    That reads like someone getting hysterical to me tbh, about things that in all reality have little influence or impact in Irish people’s lives and in Irish society. 

    You think being concerned about the impact of Brexit, the continued mistreatment of the environment, the war in Ukraine, seeing access to healthcare being removed from people is getting hysterical? Interesting. Which of these in particular would you think so?

    I watched the blase attitude to Trump and Brexit in the lead up to both key votes in 2016, and have watched the greenwashing of climate action since I started paying attention to these things in the mid-90's.

    All of these things have been impactful in my life to a lesser or greater degree, or the lives of people I care about. A hell of a lot more impactful than Gillette making videos asking men to be considerate or whether or not someone identifies as a woman, that's for sure, and yet I've had to watch people on here getting very invested in these topics but not the ones I allude to in my OP or since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Looks like one of those who argued this has deleted their account, which is totally fine, that could have been for any reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,238 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I probably should have clarified I was thinking of a credible argument, but fair enough 😁



    I don’t see post numbers on mobile TMH, but I’ll accept that fair enough, arguments were made that the left should stop looking at the right.

    No, I don’t think merely being concerned about the issues you mentioned is in itself hysteria, I was referring to the degree to which anyone should be concerned with these issues, and there’s a difference between a passing concern, and blowing something out of proportion as you’re doing. Granted I’ll accept that your concern is greater if issues affects you closer to home, but they don’t affect most people closer to home in the same way you’re arguing they should, at least in theory.

    I just don’t know why you’d expect people who see themselves as being on the right would be concerned about the things which you see as having a negative impact on society from your leftist perspective. It appears more so that you’ll position anyone who doesn’t share your opinions in that mould, even though they themselves wouldn’t - I’m thinking of the kind of people who are on the left who don’t share your socially progressive point of view, former academics for one group anyway who have been dislodged from their respected positions within their respective communities, I believe they refer to themselves as ‘classic liberals’.

    I can’t really think of any good examples of dangers to society from either the left or the right tbh as I don’t think there are any. I suppose the last thing which was of any particular significance was the proposed ‘objective’ sex education bill from 2018, of which it’s stated purpose was this -

    An Act to guarantee the right of students to receive factual and objective relationships and sexuality education without regard to the characteristic spirit of the school.

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/bill/2018/34/eng/initiated/b3418d.pdf

    There wasn’t any discussion of it on here, but it would undoubtedly have had an enormous impact on Irish society and our education system had it actually become legislation. It didn’t though, because it was rejected by the organisations which represent over 90% of schools in Ireland, and the ‘objective’ claims in the bill are already taught in 10% of Irish schools.

    A retired priest in Kerry makes a tit of himself (again), and there’s discussion for days about it, and the whole thing is blown out of proportion in pretty much the same manner as you’re doing in pointing to all the things and making the point that people don’t appear interested in discussing what you want to discuss. I might suggest it’s a blind spot in your perspective that you only see what you want to see, but in reality it’s simply that people care more about things that they imagine have a more immediate impact on their lives.

    In your case it just happens to be all the things, and you attribute responsibility for those things to the political right, as you would. For others it may well be that Gillette are moralising and capitalising on trying to sell their products to a wider market of consumers, and the kind of precedent they’re trying to impose upon society that you don’t see the issues with from your perspective.

    I do see your point, I just think you’re blowing things out of proportion is all, but it’s understandable that you would, in the same manner as the people you’re critical of are prone to the same sort of behaviour. I can certainly appreciate the irony in John Cleese becoming the very thing he rallied against, and while you may well have only become aware of it in the mid-90’s, this video was made in 1987 -





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Shining a light on the motivating factors behind Brexit, Trumpism, the war in Ukraine, anti-science and climate change resistance is most definitely not blowing things out of proportion.

    Surprisingly few have tried to argue on here that these factors weren't right wing in origin, some have tried to declare it as such but without offering contrary evidence, but I reckon you may be the first who has suggested that these events are not very consequential elements in the lives of many people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Rishi Sunak looking to go beyond the recently introduced policing bill.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Sounds in relation to climate/end oil loons. About time lying in the road and gluing your self to stuff should be illegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You have sick pay, workplace safety regulations, paid time off, quality standards etc, etc, etc because of loons like these.

    If you have women in your life, they can thank similar loons for the right to vote, own property, work and so on.

    History will look favorably on the loons, and judge those who dismissed them harshly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Citation as per right in the uk has been in power most of the time. I think you will find history very different. Women could always work and own property did you read this off a red pamphlet. I think your thinking of inheritance. So you agree it's fine to lie-down in the streets and cause damage.



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    You cannot possibly compare women fighting for their right to vote with upper middle class twats throwing orange paint on works of art.

    The left has mutated from what it once was, unrecognisable from its original incarnation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,108 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Bizarre drivel that something cant be considered far right unless its armed and violent.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,108 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Thats the Yellow Vesters. Im embarassed for you that you consider Yellow Vest Ireland left wing.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Far-right refers to fascist formations, which do indeed tend to justify violence in pursuit of their political goals.

    These days, the term "far right" is being diluted. I have even saw some posters refer to the pro-life position as "far right". I personally don't subscribe to the pro-life position, but to characterise that as "far right" is quite simply false.

    That's not the only example either.

    So when you use the term "far right", it is often not in alignment with what it actually means, and has traditionally meant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,108 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Thats not the point. The poster suggested something cant be classed as far right unless its violent and armed. Thats just bunkum.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    Even if a legitimate "far right" person or group has not engaged in violence, their ideology is premised upon violence.

    You cannot parse the two apart.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lmao10


    It's just closet far righters on boards trying to downplay the far right as something normal. Standard stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Come on. Most of society lived by "far right" values for hundreds and thousands of years. We don't even have to look that far back, as most people in the 90s would of been considered "far right" to the likes of yourself. The point being, that the new wave of leftism is the abnormality, and certainly hasn't been normal throughout the history of man. You deserve your credit though, as you've managed to flip normalcy on its head in less than 20 years.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    r

    I absolutely can compare the desire to have a say in how the world you live in with a desire to protect the world you live on.

    The question is, how can you not? Have you been watching GB News?


    While you are here, I posted this in depth response to a former poster, but they closed their account. Do you want to comment on it?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What that person said is happening is literally happening right on this thread, we had a series of posts a couple days back when someone finally admitted that Trumps and his supporters from the far right are recognizable from each other.

    Now people are trying to redefine what is harmful behaviour and to limit that to being the far right so that they can try to pretend it's just extremists who are problematic.

    Like we're going to forget that Trump met with what is accurate to now describe as an antisemite/Hitler fan and a white supremacist and that the Judiciary GOP twitter account kept this tweet up for nearly 2 months before deleting in the past couple days.

    There were no shortage of Trump/right wing fans around here for the last few years. Deleting accounts and trying to change the narrative won't change that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    that the new wave of leftism is the abnormality

    Please describe what that is and give examples of how widespread and influential it is in reality. And if you could in particular, identify the dangers that have come from this given that is the focus of the thread.

    What has been normal throughout the history of the human race has been to trend towards fairness and inclusivity, absolutely this has not been linear, as there has clearly been cases of discrimination and various acts up to and including genocide but the trend has categorically been in the direction the modern day 'Left' continues to espouse.

    Stopping gladiator fights, human sacrifices, slavery, class discrimination, gender discrimination, sexual discrimination, employee exploitation, voting discrimination etc etc etc have all been advocated for people acting from a left leaning perspective for the most part.

    This idea that 'normalcy has been flipped on its head in less than 20 years' during which time we've seen a extended war on terror advocated for by Right wing neo-cons in the US, the financial crash precipitated by a reduced regulation and capitalist greed, Brexit and its impact brought about by right wing ideologues, the Russian invasion of Ukraine by a right wing dictator, the targeting of medical/scientific experts by right wing mouthpieces during the worst pandemic of our lifetimes, the continued destruction of the environment and the impact on the climate by right wing ideals and the widening of the rich vs poor gap as a consequence of capitalist greet etc is the type of thing we'd see in a Daily Mail Headline or a Fox News chyron. It has zero support from real world events.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Please describe what that is and give examples of how widespread and influential it is in reality. And if you could in particular, identify the dangers that have come from this given that is the focus of the thread.

    I don't know why tedium is something certain people have a taste for. The definition has been given on this thread over and over. I'm pretty sure I defined it myself last week on this thread.

    • Mass immigration, often in the form of endless and limitless immigration.
    • Raid feminism, which seeks to blame men for almost everything, yet any criticism of any female will often be considered hatred against the whole gender
    • "Anti racism", which allows racism against white people, and has a general unhealthy obsession with race and racializing literally anything and everything
    • Secularism/atheism, where Christianity is the only religion that can be attacked. Attack any others and you'll be labeled negatively
    • Stateism, the worship of the state and support for the continual growth of the state. Where the state all but replaces the family unit and we become reliant on it for everything
    • Transgenderism, not the existence of it, but the belief that we should deluded ourselves and believe that a man can be a woman
    • Climate change fanaticism, thinking that the world is going to end and that it's all our fault, and we should live like animals to appease the earth, which is all based of theoretical modelling, modelling that could just as easily be wrong as right.
    • "Sexual liberation", the worst end of it, where there's no cut off point and everything is permissible no matter how deviant or illegal it may be.
    • Authoritarianism, the belief that anyone who opposes anything from the new wave is a danger to society and should be banned, censored, and brought to court if possible for the crime of non compliance

    I'm sure I could add a few more but I'm not arsed

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    He's right - the new wave of leftism is the abnormality.

    Leftism has changed drastically over the last 30 years.

    The left now throw hardline support behind government , establishment politicians , authority , conformity , censorship.

    When riots from both sides happen , the left care far more about government buildings than the regular citizen who lost small businesses -many of those small businesses were owned by minorities.

    Its never been a leftist position to saddle up to the elites over the working class.

    The "left" today are actually old school prudish conservatives who brought back the Salem Witch Trails in the form of cancel culture.

    Telling people what to think and how to act is Conservative, allowing people the freedom to make up their own minds and act and think the way they want is Liberal.

    When we see the left threatening legislation that is intended to restrict or silence another perspective , red flags ought to be going off.

    Hate speech is nothing less than a backdoor means to eliminating free speech because the opinions expressed may differ to their own.

    Suppression of free speech for any reason always leads to tyranny. Your side is hiding behind hate speech because they lack the ability to adequately express their views. They need to learn to cope with the world around them. Contrary to what they say, they are today's fascists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What are you even talking about? This is just a collection of subheadings that have seemingly been written by someone who didn't turn on a TV, radio or web browser in probably a few years.

    Leftism has changed drastically over the last 30 years.

    Already demonstrably pointed out, it hasn't.

    The left now throw hardline support behind government , establishment politicians , authority , conformity , censorship.

    Incredible horsesh*t in a world that has examples of establishment politicians like Johnson, Putin, etc, where the left were demonised for wanting police reform apparently that means they are in support of authority, when they support the trans movement they now apparently are the ones behind conformity and as Conservatives ban school books and classes throughout the US and 'noisy' protests in the UK and any sort of protest in Iran, the left are actually the ones behind censorship?

    When riots from both sides happen , the left care far more about government buildings than the regular citizen who lost small businesses -many of those small businesses were owned by minorities.

    Lol. This is brilliant. The government buildings was the capitol on the day of counting votes to democratically complete the constitutional defined election process. Way to try to hide that.

    Its never been a leftist position to saddle up to the elites over the working class.

    Nor is it now. Conservatives in the US fell for a man with a gold plated apartment and several failed businesses, they are currently in the thrall of the worlds wealthiest man as he is letting Nazi's back on the biggest social media platform in the world and trying to target Democrats with his platform. In the UK, the right wing media and individuals are categorically on the side of big business across all current pay disputes. Like, are you really arguing that the right represents the working class? In the US, Trump/Republican financial initiatives have been almost exclusively to the benefit of corporation's. FFS, Conservatives have voted against sick pay for rail workers this past week.

    The "left" today are actually old school prudish conservatives who brought back the Salem Witch Trails in the form of cancel culture.

    For me, the old school prudes are the ones banning abortion and getting annoyed about people in drag, no?

    Telling people what to think and how to act is Conservative, allowing people the freedom to make up their own minds and act and think the way they want is Liberal.

    As you've written it, this sentence is actually true. Must have been a mistake.

    When we see the left threatening legislation that is intended to restrict or silence another perspective , red flags ought to be going off.

    You're more concerned about supposed Left legislation that you say will be intended to restrict or silence, than actual legislation that has done that?

    Hate speech is nothing less than a backdoor means to eliminating free speech because the opinions expressed may differ to their own.

    Hate speech has been shown to lead to hatred, violence, discrimination and other acts up to and including Genocide, should our societies not act to try to prevent such things happening?

    Suppression of free speech for any reason always leads to tyranny. Your side is hiding behind hate speech because they lack the ability to adequately express their views. They need to learn to cope with the world around them.

    Again, see UK Tory government policing bill and comments by Sunak, posted here, to see where this is coming from in the real world rather than some random prediction of what it is the Left would do, or want to do. Iran action against protesters, Putin action against protesters, Trumps gassed protestors for a photo op and begged Governors to use force on protesters.

    Contrary to what they say, they are today's fascists.

    On a day that the former Republican President announced that the constitution should be ignored and him installed as President, and after he incited an insurrection this is just mindboggingly nonsensical. Like, I know you 'thought' as you typed sentences, but the ability to type this stuff while ignoring what is literally happening right now in front of all us takes some sort of effort. Incredible. Not the first time we've seen it, previously in history there was the known tactic of 'saying a lie repeatedly and eventually, enough people will believe it', we saw it with Comical Ali before despite the evidence on the screens in front of us and we saw it on this thread this past week where people tried to insist Brexit was not driven by right wing ideologues.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I read your post earlier in the day but couldn't respond then, but it immediately made me think of the signature someone uses on here that says something like, 'To the privileged, equality feels like oppression'.

    Mass immigration. Same amount of people born in Ireland, leave it to live elsewhere as people born elsewhere who then come to Ireland. And the level this is at still doesn't constitute mass immigration and not within an assess roar of being limitless.

    Rabid Feminism. This is one of the ones that that signature most applies to. How has this actually impacted you, in a real way.

    anti-racism. This is another one.

    Secularism/atheism. I think this has largely been driven by how the religious institutions took advantage of their communities and sought to control them for as long as possible.

    Stateism. You are talking about right wing nationalists here, you know that don't you?

    Transgenderism. So f*cking what? What difference does it make how some identifies, how much has it impacted you?

    Climate Change fanaticism. Climate change fact. So much of what we do in life is built on the foundation of having educated people study specific content to gain knowledge and then to prove to their peers that they have correctly obtained and can use that knowledge in a specific manner so that their work/output can be accepted as factual and trustworthy. It is on that basis that the need for constructive action to protect the environment is requied.

    "Sexual Liberation" You can argue about this changing in society, (I would argue there's still limits, illegal acts and so on but there is no way you can suggest that this has been driven by just left wing ideals? You might want to think about that 'there's no cut off and everything is permissible' statement because it patently isn't true.

    Authoritarianism. Again, Conservative book banning, restricting various historical topics being covered, banning protests looking to control the media etc, etc etc is the direction you should be looking in because that is where this is most evident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Those last two posts were pretty incredible to read. I hope people will come back with evidence to support their view that these issues are driven by Left wing ideologues rather than the examples I have given of right wing practices to those effects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    They won't. It clarified to me who Trump actually grabbed. What a bunch of victimhood - the one, true tell for the far-right. "I'm the victim here" might as well be the motto on their Gadsden flags.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,597 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    This is the type of weak mindedness you have to deal with around here from some people. As if any of those responses in the last two shitposts counter anything to "extended war on terror advocated for by Right wing neo-cons in the US, the financial crash precipitated by a reduced regulation and capitalist greed, Brexit and its impact brought about by right wing ideologues, the Russian invasion of Ukraine by a right wing dictator, the targeting of medical/scientific experts by right wing mouthpieces during the worst pandemic of our lifetimes, the continued destruction of the environment and the impact on the climate by right wing ideals and the widening of the rich vs poor gap as a consequence of capitalist greet etc"

    The idea that crying over some rad fems pissing and moaning about men is on the same level as the banking disaster of 2008 or the ever widening gap between rich and poor beggars belief.




    Fucking Jesus... SMH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,297 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    On a day that the former Republican President announced that the constitution should be ignored and him installed as President, and after he incited an insurrection this is just mindboggingly nonsensical. 

    Crossposting context:

    I struggle to think how someone would argue this is not Fascism:

    A Massive [voter] Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.

    When there are no rules, regulations, articles, laws, not only is there 'no fraud' but there is only war or 'might' left. If Anakin Skywalker said this you'd think ooh yep, total Darth vibes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The same day, the same fu*king day, that Trump cones out with this, Musk is pushing right wing conspiracy theories on Twitter and armed Proud Boys are stopping a Drag show being held in Ohio, they, with supposedly a straight face, claim the Left are the fascists.

    I've seen a lot of nonsense on here over thr last few years, that's gone straight to the top of the list.

    I'd give them credit for it being an exercise in Gaslighting if I thought for a second they had the capacity to formulate such a plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,223 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    it already is, the police had perfectly sufficient powers to deal with it long ago.

    it's small fry stuff that is being over exaggerated as part of the con artist servative/national front lights culture war crap.

    it's also to insure that when the effects of brexshit fully hit that the protesting can be stopped hard and remove descent.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,297 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    armed Proud Boys are stopping a Drag show being held in Ohio, they, with supposedly a straight face, claim the Left are the fascists.

    hard to keep up. Another group of obviously antisemitic right-wingers picketed a family-friendly show in Florida, home of GOP 2024 POTUS nominee frontrunner DeSantis:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,297 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Was another one this weekend in North Carolina. 40,000 Duke energy customers lost power because one or more substations was “shot up” to try and disrupt a drag show from happening. Police have some suspects they’re looking at already.



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    I'm not sure what point you're making?

    Everyone, on both reasonable sides, condemns Neo-Nazism.

    That's got nothing to do with the validity of the position of whether we can rightly criticise certain kinds of drag events.

    The two are mutually exclusive, yet you wish to use one as a means to silence debate on the other.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    It would have been fun to watch the cops taser the nazis but unfortunately they did not seem to be breaking the law in the USA. Cops tend to sit in cars if nothing criminal going on so no idea why it was even brought up. Do they Want the police to take things into their own hands ? They should start tasering them if they put 1 foot on private property for trespass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,297 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Where did I reference neo nazis in my post, what are you on about. Laughable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    There are different kinds of nazis now ? Are we suggesting some are acceptable ? Anyone blockading somewhere acting like nazis in my eyes are no different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Eskimohunt introduced Nazi's in to the topic, Overheal commented on arsonists stopping a drag show, EH, for some reason mentioned Nazis'.

    Guess he thinks that's the mindset of someone who would do such a thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    'Your side is hiding behind hate speech because they lack the ability to adequately express their views'

    This comment from within a post I responded to in detail requires a response all of itself.

    Do you really believe this to be the case? In a world of Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Herschel Walker, etc, you think the left wing is comparatively incapable of expressing their views? Really?

    Are you aware of the Dunning Kruger effect?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Musk is not pushing any conspiracy. Elaborate?

    Thats a lie about Ohio. Nobody gives a rats ass about drag shows. That was a drag show organized for "kids of all ages". The distinction is important and it was dishonest of you to exclude that detail. And even then it wasn't entirely the proud boys who got it shut down. It was the internal safety and trust team for this laughable reason.

    “In the end our performers felt unsafe without a police presence while our safety team felt unsafe with a police presence," Ryan said. “So it turns out our biggest problem wasn’t the Proud Boys after all.”

    And just to touch on your belief that Brexit was driven by right wing ideology.. Not really because controlled immigration is and never was a right wing ideology. Switzerland , Austria , Australia , New Zealand , Japan just to name a few have very tight immigration policy. Especially the very left wing NZ.

    You can't call someone a right winger because they believe in controlled immigration. That's just silly.

    Life long Democrat Chuck Schumer - Illegal immigration is wrong , plain and simple.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So much wrong in this post:

    1. The yahoos shooting out the power station in NC that was posted about earlier, were unindicted Proud Boys. Far right nutters. Concerns about safety of the attendees and performers arise from the actions of the Nutters
    2. Florida neo-nazis picketed the drag performance I posted about in Florida. Again, far-right nutters picketing with firearms and the Florida PD did nothing, though fortunately there was nothing to do
    3. Brexit driven by right-wing ideology is. a. fact. None of the big backers of it were 'on the left.' It was all about controlling the UK populace, using immigration as the stalking horse. Now that "Brexit is done" (*laugh*) it's suppress protests and calling nurses allies of Putin. A bunch of right-wing twaddle
    4. People that believe in managing immigration can be all over the spectrum. Every country has immigration controls. In the UK, there are additional policies that are particularly odious (windrush? "inhospitable to immigrants?", non-existant asylum system?) All performative cruelty from HMG

    I have an idea about drag shows that you right-winger types might try. Ignore them. Don't attend. Don't give them oxygen. Instead of suppressing free speech by picketing and campaigning against them. They're a novelty that only the RW protests bring to the forefront.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That's a lie about Ohio.

    FFS, the only reason they were talking about a police presence is because of the Proud Boys. Or do these low IQ cosplayers actually have no impact when they go on their weekend warrior jaunts?

    You could argue deaths from a mass shooting were because of a lack of sufficient ambulances and emergency services with the same type of blinkered logic.

    And just to touch on your belief that Brexit was driven by right wing ideology

    Uncontrolled immigration never really an issue for the UK because of Brexit.

    Link

    But contrary to much of the British press coverage, net immigration into the UK over the last 15 years has not been exceptional in an EU context. For example, between 2000 and 2014 net inflows to Italy and Spain were higher than those to the UK (or Germany or France, for that matter). The share of Britain’s population comprising non-Britons is not out of line with other EU countries

    But that didn't stop Right wing mouthpieces using it to encourage people to vote for the practice.


    And all the right wing outlets, commentators, politicians, media in the UK called for Brexit, so if it wasn't right wing, why were they all in favor of it?

    The UK still has the same issue with immigration now that it had before Brexit so clearly Brexit didn't solve the issue you think people voted for it to solve. But now they've a collapsing healthcare and food services industry to deal with as well.

    At least you've posted a link showing a senior left wing politician clearly not advocating for illegal immigration. So the right wingers on here might finally stop claiming that that is something that the Left is calling for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Now you are telling posters that are not normal because they don't agree with your views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Yeah very fine people on both sides wouldn't you agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,297 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    FBI is now involved, substations destroyed by gunfire, shooters knew what they were doing.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Are these people mainly worried that they would have turned out to be Lgbt if there had been drag shows in their schools when they were younger so they think it would happen like that to other kids? Nothing would have made me become a transexual no matter what age I was. I would just have had more knowledge and respect of the lgbt community.



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