"Green" policies are destroying this country

Your worries about 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3 degrees of an increase are founded in visions of the apocalypse generated by click bait headlines propped up by computer models with no demonstrated prediction skill.

You really have the most terrible memory.

There you go yet again, totally forgetting the part of the green agenda that many here are most worried about and that no green can even give as much as a vague attempt to answer. The cost and how viable is that cost for a population of 5 million ?

We hear a lot of this emotional blackmail chant from greens "Whose`s going to think of the childer and grandchilder" so how much is this going to cost those childer and grandchilder. Mind you, if this continues there will be no economy left for them to be able to pay for anything anyway

You did'nt read any it did you,if anything the articles you linked to confirm the high costs and difficulties with retrofitting ,the IEA report is just a synopsis of the current international market conditions for heat pumps, the standout section below is the piece from the Examiner which is pertinent to Ireland.

"However, as in the case of retrofitting homes, the upfront cost of installing the pumps has been flagged as a barrier to many Irish homeowners wishing to upgrade their systems, even with grant aid available.

The Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI) advises that a large number of households will also need to retrofit their home — wall/roof insulation, windows, doors — to ensure the home is heat-pump ready before installation.

For an average Irish home, an air source heat pump may cost €12,000 to €18,000, according to Bord Gáis Energy guidance."( a gas/oil boiler is c.3k)"

I will translate that for you since you dont seem to have a grasp of construction costs and methods, there are c.600k houses that require a full deep retrofit with insulation, door/windows, heating system, rewiring and other remedial work, as I have told you before those kind of works will add c.80k to a retrofit of your typical semi, you keep ignoring the reality of the situation, the figures for retrofits have been a disaster and that will continue in the foreseeable future.

Also from the examiner

"According to market and consumer data analyst firm Statista, from 2013 to 2020, the number of heat pumps in operation in Ireland increased by approximately 49,300. At the end of the last decade, there were 55,870 heat pumps.

The current Climate Action Plan, due to be updated by the end of the year, outlines plans for 600,000 heat pumps in Irish homes by 2030, with 400,000 in existing homes. Almost all new-build homes in recent years installed heat pumps as their heating system"

The figures above show the madness from the GP, only new homes are getting heat pumps because they have the necessary insulation installed at the construction stage, very few existing houses can get heat pumps unless they can afford the 100k+ cost.,

Why dont the greenies give us all 100k for the work, I'd take it.

I still think there’s a lot to be said for burning wood and timber in most of Ireland.

What are the kpi's that you speak off ?

can't bate a big lump of cast iron the kitchen heating the place 😀

Thanks for respecting my opinion.

No problem. I respect anyone`s opinion as long as they are prepared to discuss it truthfully and logically.

Unfortunately even to scratch the surface with some Irish Greens Party supporters logic for them is an undiscovered world where economics is ignored in favour of ideology.

I don`t know if you meant it as such, but that is one of the funniest replies I have read in all my time on this forum🤣🤣.

Once you build a nuclear plant the maintenance costs are relatively low, and with offshore turbines having to as well as being maintained, refitted/completely replaced up to three times the lifespan of a nuclear plant where there initial costs are anywhere between €83 - €120 Billion a nuclear plant would be multiples cheaper.

The level of nuclear waste has decreased over the years with new reactors being developed, but far as I can see like pretty much everything in life we have a choice of two evils. Renewables are not even keeping pace with demand and emissions are rising from generation, so it`s continue as we are with rising levels or nuclear an emissions free source of generation.

That would be the cost of E.S.B offshore plan for just the offshore part alone to provide 6.3 Gigawatts for domestic supply. Poland has just agreed terms on building their first nuclear plants. For 6.7 Gigawatts the U.S. Westinghouse bid was $31.3 Bn, France`s EDF bid for 6.6 Gigawatts was $33 Bn. and Korea`s KHNP for 8.4 Gigawatts was $26.7 Bn. Massive difference in the construction costs compared to any of the three bids. Poland went with the U.S. Westinghouse price.

No need to be running away. You know as much about what this will cost as anybody at the minute. The little we do know is based on U.K. costs which they are more open about than here. When you see an E.S.B. plan that has not got a single cost too any aspect of it, it`s not difficult to get the feeling we are purposely being kept in the dark because the costs are so outrageous there would be blue murder if they were made known.

The E.S.B. offshore plan you favour ?

The details are all there, but rather strangely not a single costing for any part of it. It`s the plan you favour so isn`t it you who should be giving the details on the price ?

I`d be very eager to have a look at them in total. Especially seeing as they would be State guaranteed, or do you believe these speculators would do it all for free ?

This is the only note I need.😀

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40990973.html

I'm dying for a full week of snow here to see what those who put in €80k in insulation and heat pumps if they are happy with their investment that would have given them circa 20 years of pure comfort in fossil fuel heat at the touch of a button.