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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,463 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And? How does this affect anyone? I'd be more concerned about Sunak's being the wealthiest MP in history and what sort of anarcho-capitalist agenda he might embark upon than what three letters preface Keir Starmer's name.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If you turned it down you and the knuckle draggers would be crying and biching about him not being "British" enough like was done to Corbyn because he wouldn't wear a stupid badge.

    He would be declared a monarchy hating communist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How many is "a lot" ?

    And what's wrong with grammar schools. They are free state funded schools so it just means those MPs were intelligent children.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Why would he turn it down? In the UK system, being a Sir is something to be applauded, to be looked up to and aspire to.

    it is only now that the Tories need to find something to attack him that suddenly being a Sir is seen as a bad thing.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Fun fact - Sir Alec Douglas Hume was the 13th Earl of Hume, and the 'Sir' was a lesser title he already had. He was also the last PM to sit in the HoL, before he renounced his Earldom to take up a safe seat.

    Can you imagine the Tories trying that on now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,483 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    He is indeed, but amazingly he is the 'wrong' type of Brexiteer for many of the faithful. He genuinely believed in the 'global Britain' stuff and striking overseas trade deals once out of the EU, but this set him apart from the UKIP brigade who are driven by racism, xenophobia and right wing English nationalism and so on. This is why Farage and others are now hurling insults at Sunak and labelling him a 'globalist' and 'elitist' and potential traitor to Brexit.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    He was not leader of the Labour party at the time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,560 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It would be extremely public when it was obvious he was the only former DPP without a gong; in between a Baron and a Dame.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,463 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And then you'd have been moaning about him disrespecting a British institution.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Unlike some high level Tories like Liz Truss he is not a monarchy hating Republican so he has no reason to turn it down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It just makes him look unradical, part of the British establishment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No it just makes you look like you are clutching at straws.

    The good old can't attack the policy so attack the man.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    As opposed to all those radical, not part of the establishment Tories, they have no interest in titles or the like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Delete.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Is this your first day on boards?

    I'm not even sure what point you're making.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Well Tories don't claim to be against titles and privilege.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,986 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    That's presumably why he goes down so well with white middle class people, and why Murdoch will probably back him next election. I don't think he's ever sought to be radical at all since he became an MP, so it's hardly a surprise or vote loser he's completely part of the establishment.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,425 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, he might turn it down if he wanted no part of a corrupt, sycophantic and socially divisive honours system, for example.

    Of course, if he doesn't feel that, he would have no reason to turn it down.

    Or, he might feel that, but also feel that, for tactical reasons, it would be better to accept the honour so that he can appeal to middle-ground voters who don't feel that, and who the Labour Party needs to attract in order to defeat the Tories.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Massive defeat for the Tories in a bi-election last night. It was a Labour seat to begin with, but the results would appear to underline the polls as being pretty in line with voter sentiment.

    Based on that the Tories are looking at disaster at the next election



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Looks like the Tories couldn't even motivate their own voters to make the numbers up never mind get new ones.

    Can't wait to see what rabbit hole topic is deployed today to try distract for the result.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You'll never go broke putting money on some contrived anti-woke tirade. They haven't trotted out the Gender Studies in Colleges Strawman lately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Can't motivate their supporters because they are a party still completely divided. Sunak is not a particularly popular choice of leader. They have no ideas, most things in the UK are struggling or breaking down (NHS waiting lists, doctor appointments, strikes, effluent discharge into rivers and seas, cost of living, education etc etc).

    Sunak seems to be a person that wanted the job purely for the title. He doesn't seem to have any particular agenda or ideology. Johnson was Brexit, and people were seemingly willing to put up with his lies and clear unfittness for the job to get that. Truss at least had an idea. It was terrible, and she was truly incompetent, but at least she had a vision. Sunak seems to stand for nothing at all.

    They have nothing to offer, and even after landing their main policy, Brexit, all they can do is moan that everyone else is to blame for it all being a bit rubbish.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the gap will still narrow in the run up to the election. If always does. And there will be some who tell pollsters that they’ll vote reform but when it comes to polling day they’ll not want to see their vote wasted and will vote as they always have done.

    Policital analysts and modellers on Times radio this morning predict a 40 seat majority for labour (taking into account the boundary changes) and suggest that last nights result is consistent with that. So a resounding win and a comfortably workable majority, but possibly not the landslide that some might think.

    If the war stops and energy prices and inflation fall it could narrow further. Not enough. But I’m still not convinced that we’re looking at as resounding a labour win as some think

    of course it’s only downhill from the tories from there as their elderly support base passes

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,463 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I disagree.

    That was all fine and dandy in 2019 when the only demographics who were suffering were those who are allowed to suffer. Now, though this cost of living crisis is hitting everyone outside the upper middle class and it's brought more attention to the housing crisis the Conservatives inflicted upon us.

    I don't care about Harry & Meghan or any other culture war drivel. I care about the fact that my rent just jumped by the best part of 20%, house prices and what sort of jobs I can realistically expect to get to better my lot. When people are struggling to simply exist, it opens the door for revolutions to happen. The British don't have much in the way of a culture of protest but this has collapsed with Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and Insulate Britain.

    The sense that those in charge have some sort of plan was torpedoed in 2016. Southern Tory types were happy to along with it as long as it legitimised their racism without adversely affect their pockets. They're not the majority, however. It's hard to care about gender neutral bathrooms when you're skipping meals and choosing between freezing and starving while some lad who spent £13,000 heating his swimming pool and who can see a doctor on the spot for £250 boasts about Brexit enabling control of illegal immigration while doing nothing about illegal immigration.

    They're truly braindead now. They have no ideas and they've been snorting the culture war political powder for so long all they can do is get outraged when more and more people cop on to their grubby little Brexit con job.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    This will be the Tories worst result in that constituency since 1832. The country is now in a recession which will last more than a year. Half a million are expected lose their jobs. Over the next two years households are facing the biggest fall in living standards since records began.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Sajid Javid added to the growing list of MPs who won't stand at the next election. He was in no particular danger as it's one of their safest seats.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,463 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    To quote Christoph Waltz after Brexit, "Rats fleeing a sinking ship". Javid knows they're looking at at least a decade in opposition. He can easily earn more money in the city and he hasn't debased himself like Farage and others.


    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't see this war ending any time soon maybe not before the next election. I don't see cost of living getting better in time for the Tories even if it did.

    We are about to see what practically amounts to a national general strike so this is way beyond the average levels of voter unhappiness.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The opposite could also be true. With such massive losses, many potential Tory voters may either not bother voting or jump on the Labour bandwagon.

    The Tories have nothing to offer, recession looks likely to last at least a year. Brexit will continue to be a disaster. The NHS will continue to unravel.

    It was expected that Sunak would receive a bounce, that the gap would narrow quite a bit once Truss was removed, but it seems that hasn't happened and the real disaster of Truss is not just the direct effect of her policies, but the loss of any credibility on the economy that was always a winning position for the Tories.



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