"Green" policies are destroying this country

02-12-2022 8:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950419#Comment_119950419

Jesus wept, thats talking about connections from wind farms to the grid, not wind farms owned by the ESB. The ESB do not have 6.5GW of wind farms ffs

This is what I'm talking about. You are taking bits of info and making incorrect guesses and then getting annoyed when I probe your wild conclusions to look for the data behind them.

antoinolachtnai · 02-12-2022 9:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950345#Comment_119950345

Tye 11 year time span only works if there is a suitable plant available to begin design. But there isn’t. No site has been chosen either. And planning/permitting works a lot differently in UAE

Even if we could build a nuclear plant in that timespan we would still be dependent on gas in 2034.

You are way off the point here.

there are major challenges, no doubt about it

but your alternative to doing something challenging is to do something completely unrealistic and unworkable.

maybe your idea will work in the 2040s? No one knows yet. It’s just hard to see how it could deliver much in the 20s or 30s.

02-12-2022 9:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950479#Comment_119950479

Ok?

The state has done amazing work since ER took office, in developing an entire planning system for the offshore industry. The work he pushed through in the first 18 months in office is the structure that will be used for the next few decades. Astonishing work

In relation to binding targets, yes they've been very smart about how they do the auctions and permissions. A company must prove it can actually complete the development, has a realistic possibility of achieving a timeline and penalties if they don't actually meet those timelines.

Yup, all great stuff and a number of companies, 7 I think, have gone through to the first round of O-RESS auctions which should be happening shortly.

Not sure what that has to do with anything though as she is referring to the planning system, MAC, MARA etc and has nothing to do with the actual building of wind farms, it has to do with the planning process

Edit: I just wanted to add, that article does an amazing job of covering all the work that was done in such a short period of time so thanks for that, going to save that one for future reference

Danno · 02-12-2022 9:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119949076#Comment_119949076

Would you look at that - you hope to appease Eamon Ryan and his merry band of headbangers and you decide to leave your house in Caltra to go to work on Public Transport.

Delighted as @[Deleted User] is about the new bus running from the village next week so you jump on board with excitement and find you end up in Ballinasloe train station a whopping 41 minutes late for your train.

Again, Fawk that mate - gonna drive instead.

This is the level of "joined-up-thinking" that the Greens can come up with. Utter donkeys.

02-12-2022 9:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950540#Comment_119950540

I'm scratching my head as to why you'd get the bus from Caltra to the Ballinasloe train station to go to Galway instead of just getting the 425A from Caltra to Galway

02-12-2022 9:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950559#Comment_119950559

Not really, you are asking me to answer questions about a project which doesn't exist

Don't know why you seem surprised that when I ask for more information 🤷‍♂️

Like if I said to you to explain the Bord Na Mona nulcear project in Offaly and why its going to cost 973 billion, wouldn't you want to know where I was pulling that from before you tried to discuss the merits?

thinkabouit · 02-12-2022 9:35pm

Sounds like there plans are going to be very very expensive for some people. Good help anybody living in apartments.

I’ll continue to cut down a tree or too every year or too & light the stove instead for me heating thanks

y0ssar1an22 · 02-12-2022 9:36pm

Can we not just buy carbon credits from some place? Must be cheaper than some of the cap ex floating about in this thread

02-12-2022 9:37pm

Indeed, 973 billion seems like a lot to pay for a nuclear plant in Offaly but Horse seems ok with it

Danno · 02-12-2022 9:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950575#Comment_119950575

Because work starts at 9am in Galway, not 8.01am.

We all have better things to be doing with our time.

Thanks for highlighting even more BS when it comes to Public Transport timetables in the majority of Ireland. no wonder nobody bothers their holes with it.

Here's the kicker - if yea actually done some proper timetabling, Public Transport in Ireland could potentially be profitable and not need constant subventions to keep a service going.

02-12-2022 9:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950627#Comment_119950627

Anyway, I'll leave the discussions there. When yourself and charlie can come up with actual verifiable information that contains projects details, costs, financing plans, locations, ownership info etc etc, as ye can't even seem to agree what project ye are both referring to, then we can discuss further, until then, ciao bella

02-12-2022 9:55pm

From another thread, a local community in Kerry (similar to what a group in Killybegs are doing) are looking to set up a huge offshore wind farm.

https://afloat.ie/port-news/island-news/item/57075-valentia-island-energy-project-applies-for-site-investigation-permit-for-floating-wind-farm

A community-led renewable energy project on Kerry’s Valentia island which is seeking to build a floating offshore wind farm has applied for permission to conduct site investigations.

It says the proposed project will develop in two phases - both inside and outside the 12 nautical mile limit, with the second phase, outside the 12-mile limit, requiring a separate investigatory license.

The first phase may comprise two separate arrays of 92 floating wind turbines, with 56 of these located over a 96 km² area, and 36 turbines over a 138 km² area.

It is estimated this first phase would generate around 920 MW of energy.

The second phase will be located outside the 12 nautical-mile limit in an area occupying c. 161 km², involving about 62 floating turbines with an estimated power output of 620 MW.

Danno · 02-12-2022 9:59pm

Revealed: the stations where Irish Rail took most money from clamped motorists - Independent.ie

What a way to encourage using public transport.

Parking charges at train stations, bus stations and hospitals are scumbag policies of the highest order and should be abandoned.

kabakuyu · 02-12-2022 10:01pm

Another fine mess from the greenies

https://connachttribune.ie/red-faces-for-greens-over-cuts-to-galway-city-councils-ev-fleet/

charlie14 · 02-12-2022 10:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950334#Comment_119950334

LOL you will not even discuss 1 topic at a time. It`s spoofing pretending you didn`t know the ESB "plan" before having to be forced to admit you knew it all along. When asked a question you either resort to your link dumping, and when that doesn`t work you hop around like a hen on a wet egg attempting to change the topic with just more spoofing and bluster.

The ESB "plan" is for 30 Gigawatts offshore. The source for the CapEx alone for just turbines has been shown too you here and on the Nuclear-future for Ireland ? thread as well as @correct horse battery staple providing you with the link just a few hours ago (post#18338) where just the average price would be €83 Billion. If you want to go with one of the more expensive examples, a favourite of greens who oppose nuclear, it would cost over €120 Billion. Hornsea1 cost at least £4.2 Billion for 1.2 Gigawatts.

The source for that average price for just the CapEx for turbines is Catapult Offshore Renewable Energy they UK leading Technology, Innovation and Research Centre for offshore renewable energy. So there is one topic for you and the verifiable source.

Now there is topic for you on your 30Gigawatt offshore hopium where there are verifiable costs, something according to you you have been eager to discuss. So do you believe that the ESB, or for that matter anyone else, could construct 30 Gigawatts of offshore here cheaper than the U.K. where our latest RESS strike price for wind and solar is the same as that for U.K. nuclear. ?

I highlighted the question mark because it appears its something you have great difficulty in seeing.

?Cee?view · 02-12-2022 10:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950730#Comment_119950730

To be fair, those two Galway Green councillors would have difficulty tying their shoe laces. Not the brightest sparks.

Their main activity these days seems to be shouting at traffic and using their crayons to make stop signs for their little protests.

charlie14 · 02-12-2022 10:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950663#Comment_119950663

Running and hiding again behind more inane dumped links.

You have been shown the verified figures and the source but similar to the ESB plan, which you knew nothing about until finally forced to admit you were well aware off, now you are doing the same when verified costs on 30Gigawatt for offshore and the source has been shown to you.

Have you no shame ?

charlie14 · 02-12-2022 10:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950253#Comment_119950253

And not just hydrogen storage, but the cost of the construction required for it, the cost of producing it plus the cost of distribution or even if it is possible. There is also the not so small matter that not only will the real strike price for consumers be double as the offshore generation will be split 50/50 for domestic consumption and hydrogen, with the construction costs for hydrogen, the production cost, the storage cost and the distribution cost all being lumped on top.

Cheap energy say hello to reality.

charlie14 · 02-12-2022 10:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950268#Comment_119950268

You really are the most shameless spoofer.

You have been provided with verifiable costing for just a section of your 30 Gigawatt offshore wet dream that shows on its own just how financially unviable it is and you just keep on ignoring.

Suck it up as those figures are only going to get worse the more we learn.

antoinolachtnai · 02-12-2022 10:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950549#Comment_119950549

This is simply untrue.

You are proposing to build a nuclear station based on technology that doesn’t exist yet.

When this is pointed out you try to steer the narrative off on a tangent. This is because you cannot answer the point.

No doubt you will now repeat this manouver.

charlie14 · 02-12-2022 10:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950730#Comment_119950730

Just when you think they could not be more ridiculous if they tried they somehow manage to outdo themselves.

?Cee?view · 02-12-2022 11:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119950965#Comment_119950965

What nuclear station technology is he proposing that doesn’t exist?

antoinolachtnai · 02-12-2022 11:48pm

A nuclear plant that has an approved design that is a suitable size for the Irish grid, can be delivered safely and to an acceptable standard in Ireland, and can be demonstrably built at a price lower than the cheapest plants being built today. Ideally, a proven design that has been implemented many times elsewhere.

Hopefully this technology will exist by 2030, but it doesn’t exist today.

Geuze · 02-12-2022 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119949947#Comment_119949947

When ALDI or Vodafone borrow to invest in capital equipment, their selling prices do not rise.

Ryanair have borrowed hundreds of millions to buy aircraft, but that has no impact on the price of flights.

xxxxxxl · 02-12-2022 11:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119949022#Comment_119949022

So where do the people that use that go then ? he has no clue.

Geuze · 02-12-2022 11:57pm

Semis-states won't borrow unless they know they can service the debts from cashflows.

It makes perfect sense for utilities to have long-term debts, as they own long-term assets, and have stable cashflows.

Regarding offshore wind, what will reduce costs is improving the planning and consent framework.

charlie14 · 03-12-2022 12:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119951255#Comment_119951255

As the consumer would be the cash cow, is it not important that they know the cost of this offshore plan as it would be in direct correlation to how much they would to be milked for ?

You do realise don`t you that those offshore assets that would cost anything between €83 - €120 Billion, (if they were lucky), are not long term. Their lifespan is 27 years, which imo is a stretch considering the environment they would be placed in.

03-12-2022 2:18am

t's official, France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/12/02/is-france-banning-private-jets-everything-we-know-from-a-week-of-green-transport-proposals

xxxxxxl · 03-12-2022 2:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119951568#Comment_119951568

No one will have an issue with that great move not really an Issue in Ireland could try and ban the chopper trips here.

JRant · 03-12-2022 9:37am

The green agenda is so brilliant and so many people are onboard with "the message" that it takes an ever increasing amount of levies, taxes, restrictions, and new laws to implement.

"Green" policies are destroying this country

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