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Ursula Von Der Leyen - addressing the Oireachtas yesterday. Opinions on her speech?

  • 02-12-2022 9:03pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭


    How has the EU benefited Ireland? In my opinion her speech was part of an act, because Irish people are seeing more and more each day who the government serve and it's not Ireland, it felt like all present were bowing down to their leader. It has become apparent now more than ever that the political establishment in Ireland have sold us out. Sold our country from beneath our feet, making it impossible to find homes. Planted every county with immigrants who don't integrate and are prioritised before Irish. Changed the country completely within 20 years. Ireland is finished. The political establishment has embraced wokism as our new national policy and its being rammed down our throats on a daily basis.

    Ireland is under EU control, are the best boys in the class every time, yet other European countries are fighting back. For some reason Ireland has been marked for distinction, our culture and identity is being destroyed by design.

    A tax haven for multinational companies, don't own our own fishing rights and resources. Now known as treasure Ireland to the world. Thanks European Union for destroying Ireland.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,927 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Suffice to say you'd feel that way regardless of what she said.

    Personally I feel the exact opposite to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2


    Thought you might say that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,628 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Would you mind editing your post to show her name correctly?

    By the way I'm pro EU too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Ireland is loyal

    Just like the old days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,431 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I thought she gave a great speech. The EU has been great for Ireland. Without it we would be in an even worse state than the UK.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,927 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    😋 No, just realistic and aware of the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Do you not feel a great sense of pride reading her comments. Like a nice pat on the head from teacher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,628 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,880 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2


    So everything I've listed is something to be proud of? A government who do not serve Ireland but Brussels interests and you embrace it as progress?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,971 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Oh Christ, another thread about housing and immigrants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2


    Maybe you should. The current political establishment are worse than Cromwell ever was. Are you ok with treason from within?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We should walk away etc etc

    Sunlit uplands etc etc

    Fisheries etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,628 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Irexit is your only man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,927 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭supermans ghost


    Yes, I agree it should be Ursula Von der Lying, would be more appropriate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Ireland has surely benefitted from EU membership. Yes, there are negative aspects to it, but on balance I think we are better off in the EU even though I despise the wokeness it brings with it, including Ms Gender Quota herself.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭aziz


    ”now pay us all the money you owe us, you pixie headed little fcuks”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    The gobshytes ruling Ireland missed a golden opportunity with Brexit.

    We should have assisted the UK with Brexit and carved out a deal which would have made the whole process alot simpler and have kept the peace progress in NI going.

    We should have agreed to a customs border between the continent and these islands. This would continue the free trade between Ireland and the UK and at the same time we could continue free trade with the continent. NI would agree to this. We'd have an all-Island of Ireland trading both freely with the UK and the continent.

    We'd still be full members of the EU, but goods and services would be subject to checks, as we'd have an open trade border with the UK.

    This would be quite simple to manage as everything goes by air or by sea to the continent.

    A win-win.

    Opportunity missed, but Varadkar and Martin wanted to be useful tools to stick it to the UK from an EU perspective and use the NI border as a bargaining chip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,438 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Bet you think that a lot when you say stuff out loud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,438 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    One gobshyte commenting on the gobshytes r̶u̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ governing Ireland doesn't appear to understand how the union works. Smell o brexit voter off them...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Her speech was filled with fake platitudes about how Ireland was at the heart of the EU. Utterly cringeworthy, patronising language.

    Of course we were at the heart of the EU when they effectively bullied the country into voting again on several referenda.

    It's not about Ireland.

    It's about EU power, at the centre, that she herself and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats occupy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,003 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It ain't going to happen.

    Ireland is a supine country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,971 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    So let's get this straight.

    Ireland leave the EU customs union (They need to do that for the next step)

    Ireland does a trade deal with the Brexited UK.

    Then that trade deal does a trade deal with the EU customs union.

    All while Ireland still reamins a member of the EU.

    Yea sounds simple, I can't figure why they didn't do it, stupid politicians and civil servants with experience in international trade and diplomacy.

    We here on borads know better.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What have the Romans ever done for us?



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,456 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Posts deleted

    If you cannot interact in a civil manner do not post, or your posting privileges will be removed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    Ursula von Frankenstein. It’s all by design Der Leten too many in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    It doesn't matter though because it works. Irish collective insecurity is our greatest enemy, as Paddy loves a bit of praise, and he'll do anything to get it. Even if you're a great supporter of the union, I don't see how you can be so naive about how the EU views Ireland. Like all politicians they don't care about you, and aren't working for you, so it's beyond childlike to think that they love and appreciate Ireland, when we're nothing but a political tool to EU. I suppose all that gets in the way of the federal utopian views that many have, so we must pretend otherwise, and convince ourselves that politicians aren't politicians, and that they are deeply compassionate and caring people with nothing but love inside them.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    @eskimohunt It's about EU power, at the centre, that she herself and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats occupy.

    You mean like your beloved House of Lords?

    You've posted a lot of twaddle on Boards but today's attempt at playing Farage is up there!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The House of Lords in the UK, and the Senate in this country, should be disbanded / reformed for the very same anti-democratic reasons that apply to the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    6 years on from the Brexit vote and some people just refuse to learn anything from it. There is no new argument in this thread, everything that has been said has been proven to be bollocks and yet here we are again, over and over and over. People who asked to be lied to and then get furious when politicians lie. It's bizarre.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,480 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Great speech from what I saw of it. The EU and the Commission are firmly in Ireland's corner which is going to be essential to protect trade, investment, prosperity and the NI protocol that the Brits are so desperate to undermine.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,034 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Just seen the "loyal to your history and traditions" bit. What in the world is she on about? Irish traditions are all dying a fast death, unless of course she means stuff like Irish dancing, GAA, and hating the English? As they are the only traditions left.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,003 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Yes yes because copying the UK in exiting the eu would seem like such sensible decision making.

    Some accounts on boards should have to have parody beside their username like on twitter now.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,480 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Which traditions are dying and how would EirGo have prevented this?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    What's the point? I could write few thousand words essay arguing my point, and you'd just say "no" or "lies" or call me a "conspiracy theorist" or something. Whatever about the past, you've no care for good faith debates, and rely almost solely on insults. Every thread you post in is proof of that.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,480 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It was a genuine question. If you don't want to answer it, no worries.

    This trope pops up now and again and there's never any detail on how the EU has actually destroyed Irish traditions.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pro EU and this country has benefitted from membership, but i continue to have my doubts about joining the eurozone. I think the inability to set ones own interest rates as economic circumstances dictate constitutes a certain dilution of sovereignty and i would urge the Czechs, Poles etc to think very carefully before joining it for that reason alone.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,480 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think that's fair.

    The counterargument is that the sovereignty you might otherwise have may not even exist. The Brits have their own currency and look at how quickly they had to backtrack once the markets disapproved.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,039 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I watched her full speech. Hard to disagree with any of it : she pointed out when Ireland joined in 1973, GDP per capita was half the EEC average and now it is double the EU average. In other words the country has gone from being one of the poorest in Europe to one of the richest in only 50 years. No amount of shouting from flag waving patriots can get away from that key point.

    She stressed too that it was Irish innovation, skill and creativity that led to this huge turnaround : not just the simple fact of 'Ireland being in the EU'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    True, but some would say that money isn't everything. You can be rich yet poor in other ways. The whole we're a rich nation stuff has a hollowness to it too, when many of us will never own homes, many of us are struggling to even rent homes, something all our ancestors were able to do when we were in the dirt.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, thats true. The markets would treat us just as harshly if we were incompetent with our economic management. The FF 1977 budget and the run up to the 2008 crash springs to mind.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,039 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I would totally agree (money isn't everything) but you could argue that much of the social change was probably influenced by EEC / EU membership - rights for women and minorities and so on. Not all of it of course, but membership must surely have made the country more outward looking.

    Things like homelessness and the housing crisis are probably happening in spite of EU membership and are caused by internal factors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Uncharted2


    Well said, don't forget Guinness also apparently.



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