Kenya Ban imminent

I didn't mention the 1:59 challenge. I am talking about his real pacers, the day in day out, month in month out Kenyan based pacers for Kipchoge's long runs and long sessions. At least 3 done for doping. I am not trying to pull wool over anyone's eyes here or misdirect.

My advice is to see what comes of the upcoming bans. That information should provide the basis for a better assessment.

For me, even ignoring all the indications, a guy in his mid 40s running sub 2hrs for the marathon in a sport riddled with training enhancing doping...?

What are the chances?

Here is Zane Robertson who knows Kipchoge personally saying when he broke the world record in Berlin (first time) he was not 33 but at least 40. That would make him at least 46 now. He would not be alone in Kenya stating this either. Robertson goes on to say. “There [sic] passport ages are all fake so they can cheat Jr’s and get contracts”. When Kenyans are getting their passports their age is supplied by word of mouth or easily faked documents. When you ask a Kenyan athlete their age a running joke is to say "passport age or real age"?

More on age cheating in Kenya here. The question for Kenyan athletes should not me "prove I am not the age on my passport" , rather it should be "prove you are the age your passport says".

When you ask how often is Kipchoge tested do you mean how often in an absolute sense or how often in a test or manner likely to catch him or other Kenyan athletes should they be doping (not saying he is btw)? How many Kenyan athletes have to date been caught by tests carried out by Kenyan authorities?

I was in Kenya and in the camp there was a chap called Richard Lagat who was visiting. Nice guy and a former top runner but modest and understated in the Kenyan way. He was the same crop as the likes of Kipsang and Kipchoge. Anyway he told us about the age he thought Kipchoge was which (as I recall) was well older than his passport age perhaps tallying with Robertson. Anyway, he said he himself was 48. We asked him when he was born and he said 1977, which would have made him 45. When we asked him about it he said that he actually though he was 45. That's Kenya. (Lagat was in the same school as Kipchoge) 🤷‍♂️

Kipchoge won his first World event as a Junior in 2003. To quote Zane Robertson in case you didn't read: "“There [sic] passport ages are all fake so they can cheat Jr’s and get contracts". Robertson said this in relation to Kipchoge.

A marathon runner's marathon pace being equivalent to the M45 WR is ridiculous (even if that record is extremely soft and set by an Italian way back in 2013.) The performances by recent athletes in winning majors were also ridiculously good. But they were busted for doping.

I was asked to supply evidence that Kipchoge was over 45. There won't be any more evidence than personal testimony of elite Kenyan based athletes who personally know him. You seem to have some knowledge of Iten and Eldoret. Have you actually heard testimony that confirms his age beyond your M45 record deduction?

Point taken re Rosa, but Kipchoge's strongest pacer a man who paced him day in day out inside the tight knit Sang camp was busted for doping. That is significant is it not? None of this of course means Kipchoge is doping. It just adds to the suspicion that doping in Kenya may be almost ubiquitous amongst the to elite. World Athletics recent actions would not seem to inspire confidence that this issue will go away.

UPDATE: The Athletics Integrity Unit has banned 2021 Boston marathon winner Diana Kipyokei for six years and her Boston result has been disqualified. (Edna Kiplagat is officially the 2021 Boston Marathon champion.)

-Sample was taken on October 11 2021 (day of marathon)

-Tested positive for "a metabolite of Triamcinolone acetonide" (Nov 4)

-There followed months of to-ing/fro-ing where she produced documentation with a doctor that was unsatisfactory and later proven falsified.

The AIU decision is worth a quick read. This case was not a leak in a systemic problem. If this case type is typical, and the problem is widespread then it's clear why so many Kenyan's are being caught and will be caught.

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/downloads/pdfs/disciplinary-process/en/AIU-21-193-266-Kipyokei-Decision.pdf

Bigger UPDATE: FIVE MORE KENYANS BANNED (SIX TOTAL IN LAST 2 DAYS)

1: Ms Diana Chemtai Kipyokei (“the Athlete”) is a 28-year-old road runner from Kenya1

On 11 October 2021, the Athlete provided a urine Sample In-Competition at the ‘B.A.A. Boston Marathon’ held in Boston, USA, which was given code 158744V (the “Sample”). 6. On 4 November 2021, the World Anti-Doping Agency (“WADA”) accredited laboratory in Los Angeles, USA (the “Laboratory”) reported an Adverse Analytical Finding in the Sample based on the presence of a metabolite of Triamcinolone acetonide3 (the “Adverse Analytical Finding”). 

2: Ms Purity Cherotich Rionoripo (“the Athlete”) is a 29-year-old road runner from Kenya1

On 30 May 2022, the Athlete provided a urine Sample, Out-of-Competition in Eldoret, Kenya, which was given code 7077177 (the “Sample”). 6. On 23 June 2022, the World Anti-Doping Agency (“WADA”) accredited laboratory in Lausanne, Switzerland (the “Laboratory”) reported an Adverse Analytical Finding in the Sample for the presence of Furosemide (the “Adverse Analytical Finding”).

3: Ms Alice Jepkemboi Kimutai (“the Athlete”) is a 30-year-old road runner from Kenya1On 20 September 2022, the Athlete provided a urine Sample Out-of-Competition in Kaptagat, Kenya, which was given code 1087220 (the “Sample”). On 14 November 2022, the World Anti-Doping Agency (“WADA”) accredited laboratory in Lausanne, Switzerland (the “Laboratory”) reported an Adverse Analytical Finding in the Sample based on the presence of Testosterone and its Metabolites, Androsterone, Etiocholanolone, 5αandrostane-3α,17 diol (“5αAdiol”) and 5β-androstane-3α,17 diol (“5βAdiol”) consistent with exogenous origin (the “Adverse Analytical Finding”). 

4. Mr Maiyo Johnstone Kibet (“the Athlete”) is a 34-year-old road runner from Kenya On 29 May 2022, the Athlete provided a urine Sample In-Competition at the Kigali InternationalPeace Marathon in Kigali, Rwanda, which was given code 7013923 (the “Sample”). On 18 July 2022, the World Anti-Doping Agency (“WADA”) accredited laboratory in Bloemfontein, South Africa (the “Laboratory”) reported an Adverse Analytical Finding in the Sample based on the presence of recombinant erythropoietin (“EPO”) (the “Adverse Analytical

Finding”).

5: The Respondent, Mr Mark Otieno Odhiambo (the “Athlete” or “Mr Odhiambo”) is a 29-year-old athlete from Kenya.On 30 July 2021, the World Anti-Doping Agency (“WADA”) accredited laboratory in Tokyo, Japan (the “Tokyo Laboratory”) reported an Adverse Analytical Finding (“AAF”) in the Second Sample for the presence of Methasterone at an estimated concentration of 6 ng/mL and its Metabolites 2α,17α-dimethyl-5α-androstane3α,17β-diol (“Methasterone M1”) at an estimated concentration of 6ng/mL and 18- nor-17β-hydroxymethyl-17α-methyl-2α-methyl-5α-androst-13-en-3-one (“Methasterone M2”) at an estimated concentration of 0.5ng/mL (“the Second Sample AAF”). Methasterone (and its Metabolites) is a Prohibited Substance on the WADA 2021 

He held on to the EPO for 5 years and then moved it over the border to Kenya.

"threats on my life from the ongoing divorce...extortion and stuff...."  "it was pretty nasty...had to move to my farm in the mountains and hideout for months.."

So he must have brought the EPO up to the farm house too!

Doesn't EPO need refrigeration?