Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Yes this is one of those bad takes I was just referencing.

Who is the party of working class then? The working class have been running to the GOP in recent years and they are the ones who shot down the sick days.

The turkeys have voted for Christmas but as usual it is all the Dems and Biden's fault.

Allowing the whole economy to tank due to the GOP and taking all the blame was an idiotic option to even consider.

That is all factual, but I still disagree that this invalidates their claim to be a party for the working class. Senators who voted against those paid days, I cannot imagine what for meanwhile, because I don't see how it benefited workers to do so in any capacity. The most imaginable excuse is 'you're not getting 7 paid days so the railworkers won't either' or some other haves/have nots argument that, those same Senators on any other day would say how ridiculous it was to suggest giving all US workers 7 paid sick days either.

Do you know for a fact Biden wouldn't have signed the bill with sick leave if it had made it through the senate? Biden administration are dealing with the situation they have as best they can - they can't magic up a situation where they have the votes to do whatever they liked.

The choice was to compromise, one that was agreed by the majority of unions, or make millions of people suffer due to a strike - crippling the economy right before Christmas.

They weren't being ignored, they just weren't lied to that there is a simple fix that Trump promised. Obama saved the motor industry which is based in that exact same rust belt.

These excuses for voting for Trump are tired, lazy, and proven over the years to be complete nonsense.

The Biden administration sided with the Railways and removed any sick leave from the contact. It's all there in black and white in that link. The Railways who have made 100s of million of dollars of profit in recent years. This contract was driven by the Administration.

Funny how you dismiss the sentiments of those same voters. How very Democrat of you.

Were you a rust belt voter in 2016??? I'm not dismissing their sentiments, I'm dismissing the excuses you're trying to pin on them for their vote which coincidentally align with the narrative you're trying to push here.

Whatever deal the Biden Administration put together had to get through congress - it is that simple. We saw a deal with sick leave didn't get through and that is the world we're living in. The deal that has gone through now was accepted by the majority of the unions involved, you're just choosing to look at a glass three quarters full as being empty - again coincidentally aligning with the narrative you're trying to push.

We don't live in a fantasy world where Biden can do whatever he likes, as can be seen by all 'the progressives' who claimed Biden would have no issue with a stroke of a pen cancelling student debt and we now see it blocked in court. Voters gave Biden the Congress he has to work with and he has done a great job so far in getting things done, even if it isnt as perfect as some would hope.

As was laid out in the Twitter link above, the Unions and Railways had to go to a Presidential Emergency Board , which is handpicked for that specific situation. The Board hears arguments from both sides, then drafts an agreement that the Unions can't agree or disagree with, and are mandated to put to a vote of their members.

The Administration sided with the Railways to refuse any sick days. They quite literally inked the deal that Congress is forcing on railway workers.

You're pretty naive to think that Congress wasn't in mind when it was put together. The hope was that it wouldnt have to go that far but they didnt want a palatable deal that would get through and it was accepted by the majority of unions. You can't argue that this isn't a good deal given the number of votes it received by those directly impacted, acknowledging that some involved thought they should get more. You're painting it as some diabolical betrayal when the only alternative to get a minimal additional concessions was a crippling strike that would impact millions (if not tens or hundreds of millions of people) right before Christmas.

Also, still waiting for you to confirm whether you're a rust belt voter or just another outside excuse maker who I either must accept as a mindreader of the opinion of Trump voters or else be deemed as dismissing the working class.

The deal you're talking about never would have had the votes to pass in congress, and the deal you're talking about was never going to be agreed to voluntarily by the railway companies.

That industry makes $100Ms but is responsible by its very nature for Trillions.

So again, to be clear, the reason that Congress is voting to force the contract is to prevent them from striking. That would have happened in any circumstances, regardless of what was in it. The contract was not written to appease Congress. It was written to appease the Railway owners. The Union was presented with a fait accompli, either they vote to accept it, or Congress would force them to. As clearly stated, it was written to deny them sick days, that would allow them a better work/life balance.

The Administration is absolutely siding with business over the workers, that's unequivocal. Biden is talking out of both sides of his mouth saying he'll continue to fight for paid sick leave, when his Administration deliberately chose to not include it in the contract it forced on the Unions.

You're the one claiming to know more about 'a poor deal' than half of the workers who voted for it.

Of course you can learn from reading but what you shared isn't 'investigative journalism', they were opinion pieces that are 6 years and 2 years out of date, respectively.

I was right about the contract. It is obvious the Biden admin designed it to get it through congress if it wasn't accepted by all the unions. You really think they just happened to be able to ask congress to pass the same deal without amendments - this a complete coincidence? They needed to get the situation sorted to avoid chaos before Christmas and clearly had a backup plan that worked.

You obviously see this as a good opportunity to take a kick at Biden but like most of his presidency he has done a good job in a difficult situation.

You want to talk about failure to understand mechanics while you blithely ignore the 2nd and 3rd degree implications of a national railway strike.

A national railway strike, to recap in simple terms, is not a good deal. Not for the business sure, but not for the workers or anyone else who relies upon that logistics. Almost 1/3rd of all freight in the US travels at least partly by rail. 2.53 trillion tonne-kilometers in 2018. Do you know how many workers would be affected by the strike? How many families?

Also the first line is misleading: the deal does include paid sick leave - 1 day of it.

To summarize, you're supportive of workers rights... until it might impact your lifestyle. In which case too bad, so sad.

The Unions have no ability to strike for a better deal, so they have zero leverage. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's a total win/win for Biden. He ensures there's no disruption the Railway companies profits, and he gets to use the failure of the sick leave bill to pass as a stick to beat the Republicans with. Masterfully done on his part.

Again, there's no strike. The workers are legally precluded from striking. The negotiations have dragged on for years, hence the PEB. The Administration could've avoided any of this by including the sick days, which would likely have garnered widespread support amongst the workers.

The timing and details of all of this was defined and driven by the Administration.