What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Nah, the narrative is we raped the world and stole their wealth. If we didn't Africa would rule the earth, and we'd all be trying to immigrate there for a better life.

Because we are "bad" or were "bad", which is a strain of racism that they have no issue with. I remember almost spitting out my coffee watching an episode of Yellowstone one day, when the annoying Indian girl said: "oppressing people is a uniquely European trait" or something along those lines. While many of them wouldn't say it outright, they seem to think that Westerners were born with some sort of sickness in us that makes us more likely to harm others. It's absolute nonsense of course, but they truly believe it, and of course they are excluded from that because they are the "pure" Westerners.

Also, while the defender here a quick to accuse other of believing in "white genocide", which some of us do, I'd put my house on it that if everything was flipped they'd be the ones screaming about genocide.

A completely different experience compared to whom? Ireland? Latin Americans in Ireland are mainly from Brazil, whereas Latin Americans in Spain come from a whole plethora of countries, and in the US they come mainly from Mexico -

https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-countries-in-Latin-America-2061416

They don’t integrate any more easily in Spain than they do in any other country -

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3138504/

Reminds me of the Brazilian chap I was in college with who hardly had a word of English, only spoke Portuguese, but I thought I could help him out as I had a few words of Portuguese (my English isn’t much better 😂). Turned out Brazilian Portuguese very different to European Portuguese. Apparently Brazilian Portuguese is more like Spanish -

Important Note: European Portuguese, which is spoken in Portugal, is very far from Spanish. Brazilian Portuguese, which is spoken in Brazil, sounds much closer to Spanish. Hence, these two are drastically different from each other.

https://thelanguagedoctors.org/is-portuguese-similar-to-spanish/

Am I missing something, or have they literally not reported on it at all? If you use any of the terms associated with it and "RTE" at the end all that shows up is a case from 2021.

Well yes, they do. I don’t think anyone is disputing that though. What’s disputable are the reasons for why these trends exist in employment, unemployment, and whether they are counted in labour force statistics at all. I’m suggesting that the reasons behind the statistics aren’t just race based, but there are a multitude of influencing factors.

One of the factors is the way in which statistics are presented. In your link for example, they refer to categories such as ‘White’, ‘White Other’, and Asian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi separately. I dunno whether it’s that Pakistan and Bangladesh are still Commonwealth countries that they’re not regarded as Asian, but they are Asian, which also refers to countries such as India and China. I doubt you’d find anyone who would be willing to argue that India and China are ethnically identical 🤨

It’s hardly just a Europe-wide issue either -

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/17/1079181478/us-census-middle-eastern-white-north-african-mena

I’ll bet that while you stuck out like a sore thumb in the Middle East, there were plenty of people who didn’t care that you were an engineer; to them you’re a foreigner, an immigrant, regarded in much the same way as immigrants are regarded across Europe. Their own employment statistics in Arab States are similar to our own, they’re just a much larger population, like 100 times our own -

• In 2018, total unemployment rate in the Arab States registered 7.3 per cent with more than 4 million individuals seeking employment.
• Excluding the GCC - where large numbers of migrant workers work – the unemployment rate in the Middle East stands at 10.8 per cent, suggesting a particularly critical situation in the non-GCC countries, where political instability, active conflicts and security risks continue to undermine socio-economic development.
• One in five young men and women were out of work in 2018 in the Arab region, compared to a global youth unemployment rate of 11.8 per cent.
• The unemployment rate among Arab women is more than twice that of men, registering 15.6 per cent in 2018 compared to a male rate of 5.8 per cent.
• Labour force participation among women stands at 18.4 per cent relative to 77.2 per cent among Arab men. Interestingly, Arab men’s participation in the labour force is higher than the world average (74.9 per cent) whereas that of Arab women is incomparably lower (global average participation rate of women is 48 per cent).
• In addition to the 4 million unemployed individuals in the region, there are another 4.5 million persons in the potential labour force: people who are not in employment and a) are looking for a job but not yet available to work (unavailable jobseekers), or b) are available to work but are not looking (available potential jobseekers). This gives a tally of at least 9.5 million underutilized persons in the region, before accounting for those who are under-employed.
• In terms of quality of employment, it is estimated that more than 8 million workers in the Arab region lived in extreme or moderate poverty in 2018 while vulnerable employment constituted 15.4 per cent of total employment in the region.
• Informal employment is also relatively high, accounting for more than two thirds of the region’s total employment as of 2016.
• Comprehensive National Employment policies exist in only 4 countries of the Arab States region, namely Jordan, KSA, Iraq (including the Kurdistan Region of Iraq) and more recently the UAE.

https://www.ilo.org/beirut/areasofwork/employment-policy/lang--en/index.htm

Irish times saying he can't be named for legal reasons, guess no one told the other papers that.

As of 2016, 16% of African nationals in the Labour Force are unemployed and 45% of African nationals in the overall population (as opposed to the working-age-population, though in the case of African nationals I expect the overall population mirrors the working-age-population) are unemployed. The Labour Force unemployment figures are undesirable for a migrant demographic and the overall population unemployment figures are undesirable for a migrant demographic. To be clear, the inability to participate in the Labour Force is itself an issue in as far as employment and migration are concerned. 

Employment in the overall population of Ireland is often discussed in relation to the undesirability of an ageing indigenous population and the ostensible desirability of an effortlessly employable migrant population - why then is it an issue to recognise that certain migrant demographics, for a multiplicity of cultural and socio-economic reasons, tend to be undesirable from a Labour Force perspective?

You’re going to have to elaborate on what you mean by ‘undesirable from a labour force perspective’, and who regards immigrants as such?

That might well explain where the issue stems from, when a person’s ideas for deigning anyone as being of undesirable status in the labour force are based upon their own prejudices and stereotypes about whole groups of people, in order to argue their undesirability.

What time period in history are you writing from? Do they send young boys up chimneys and young girls to prostitute themselves lest children be regarded as undesirable from a labour force perspective too? 🧐

I’m kidding, but your post reminded me of “Hard Times” and Dickens criticism of Utilitarianism -

https://medium.com/@taieboussayfi/dickens-hard-times-calls-into-question-bentham-s-theory-of-utilitarianism-23c2476b2556

A labour force doesn’t have a perspective, it’s your perspective you’re arguing from, because if you were attempting to be objective, you couldn’t associate a reluctance or inability to participate in the labour force with either retirees… or African migrants.

And they say Germans have no sense of humour 😁

There’s only one way of defining the labour force Geert, and it isn’t a matter of perspective -

The labour force or workforce or economically active population, also shortened to active population, includes both employed (employees and self-employed) and unemployed people, but not the economically inactive, such as pre-school children, school children, students and pensioners.

It makes no reference to aging, or ethnicity or immigration status or anything else which anyone considers desirable or undesirable or whether anyone determines from their own subjective perspective whether anyone is either capable or incapable of participating in the labour force due to disability or anything else.

Immigration is necessary to fill gaps in the labour force, which is only concerned with availability of labour. There simply doesn’t exist a concept of “immigrant demographics” in the sense that you’re trying to make out that African immigrants don’t want to work.

I do get where you’re coming from that as far as you’re concerned, it’s important in terms of a country’s economic development that the economy have a healthy labour market, but that’s not predicated upon any immigrant demographics either, any more than it isn’t based upon whether an Irish person doesn’t want to participate in the labour force, for whatever their reasons are - they’re just not in the labour force.

https://careersportal.ie/work_employment/labourmarket.php

It’s the responsibility of Government to make the country an attractive prospect for both Irish and immigrants alike in order to achieve economic growth and prosperity. They do that by creating incentives for people to participate in the labour force, by removing barriers to entry as opposed to creating and maintaining barriers to entry so that whether it’s an Irish person or an immigrant on home duties, they are incentivised to enter into employment with the supports necessary to maintain employment in order to promote social mobility for both themselves and their families, thereby reducing their dependency on the State.

That’s uncontroversial too, from my perspective.