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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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    #1442
    xxxxxxl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119957807#Comment_119957807

    There are different kinds of nazis now ? Are we suggesting some are acceptable ? Anyone blockading somewhere acting like nazis in my eyes are no different.



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    #1443
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119957848#Comment_119957848

    Eskimohunt introduced Nazi's in to the topic, Overheal commented on arsonists stopping a drag show, EH, for some reason mentioned Nazis'.

    Guess he thinks that's the mindset of someone who would do such a thing.



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    #1444
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119952815#Comment_119952815

    'Your side is hiding behind hate speech because they lack the ability to adequately express their views'

    This comment from within a post I responded to in detail requires a response all of itself.

    Do you really believe this to be the case? In a world of Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Herschel Walker, etc, you think the left wing is comparatively incapable of expressing their views? Really?

    Are you aware of the Dunning Kruger effect?



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    #1445
    BruteStock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119956211#Comment_119956211

    Musk is not pushing any conspiracy. Elaborate?

    Thats a lie about Ohio. Nobody gives a rats ass about drag shows. That was a drag show organized for "kids of all ages". The distinction is important and it was dishonest of you to exclude that detail. And even then it wasn't entirely the proud boys who got it shut down. It was the internal safety and trust team for this laughable reason.

    “In the end our performers felt unsafe without a police presence while our safety team felt unsafe with a police presence," Ryan said. “So it turns out our biggest problem wasn’t the Proud Boys after all.”

    And just to touch on your belief that Brexit was driven by right wing ideology.. Not really because controlled immigration is and never was a right wing ideology. Switzerland , Austria , Australia , New Zealand , Japan just to name a few have very tight immigration policy. Especially the very left wing NZ.

    You can't call someone a right winger because they believe in controlled immigration. That's just silly.

    Life long Democrat Chuck Schumer - Illegal immigration is wrong , plain and simple.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAyn89hFIo&ab_channel=DemocratFlashback




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    #1446
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119958261#Comment_119958261

    So much wrong in this post:

    1. The yahoos shooting out the power station in NC that was posted about earlier, were unindicted Proud Boys. Far right nutters. Concerns about safety of the attendees and performers arise from the actions of the Nutters
    2. Florida neo-nazis picketed the drag performance I posted about in Florida. Again, far-right nutters picketing with firearms and the Florida PD did nothing, though fortunately there was nothing to do
    3. Brexit driven by right-wing ideology is. a. fact. None of the big backers of it were 'on the left.' It was all about controlling the UK populace, using immigration as the stalking horse. Now that "Brexit is done" (*laugh*) it's suppress protests and calling nurses allies of Putin. A bunch of right-wing twaddle
    4. People that believe in managing immigration can be all over the spectrum. Every country has immigration controls. In the UK, there are additional policies that are particularly odious (windrush? "inhospitable to immigrants?", non-existant asylum system?) All performative cruelty from HMG

    I have an idea about drag shows that you right-winger types might try. Ignore them. Don't attend. Don't give them oxygen. Instead of suppressing free speech by picketing and campaigning against them. They're a novelty that only the RW protests bring to the forefront.



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    #1447
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119958261#Comment_119958261

    That's a lie about Ohio.

    FFS, the only reason they were talking about a police presence is because of the Proud Boys. Or do these low IQ cosplayers actually have no impact when they go on their weekend warrior jaunts?

    You could argue deaths from a mass shooting were because of a lack of sufficient ambulances and emergency services with the same type of blinkered logic.

    And just to touch on your belief that Brexit was driven by right wing ideology

    Uncontrolled immigration never really an issue for the UK because of Brexit.

    Link

    But contrary to much of the British press coverage, net immigration into the UK over the last 15 years has not been exceptional in an EU context. For example, between 2000 and 2014 net inflows to Italy and Spain were higher than those to the UK (or Germany or France, for that matter). The share of Britain’s population comprising non-Britons is not out of line with other EU countries

    But that didn't stop Right wing mouthpieces using it to encourage people to vote for the practice.

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    And all the right wing outlets, commentators, politicians, media in the UK called for Brexit, so if it wasn't right wing, why were they all in favor of it?

    The UK still has the same issue with immigration now that it had before Brexit so clearly Brexit didn't solve the issue you think people voted for it to solve. But now they've a collapsing healthcare and food services industry to deal with as well.

    At least you've posted a link showing a senior left wing politician clearly not advocating for illegal immigration. So the right wingers on here might finally stop claiming that that is something that the Left is calling for.



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    #1448
    RobbieTheRobber
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119952493#Comment_119952493

    Now you are telling posters that are not normal because they don't agree with your views.



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    #1449
    RobbieTheRobber
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119957309#Comment_119957309

    Yeah very fine people on both sides wouldn't you agree.



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    #1450
    Overheal
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    FBI is now involved, substations destroyed by gunfire, shooters knew what they were doing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opp09pm_r68




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    #1451
    lmao10
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    Are these people mainly worried that they would have turned out to be Lgbt if there had been drag shows in their schools when they were younger so they think it would happen like that to other kids? Nothing would have made me become a transexual no matter what age I was. I would just have had more knowledge and respect of the lgbt community.



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    #1452
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119960470#Comment_119960470

    My guess is that they're worried that the world is changing and that if that is allowed to happen, and there is any sort of a shakeup in the social order, that they will end up in some sort of a disadvantaged position.

    One thing I'm very sure about is that their primary reason is not to ensure the safety of children. If it was, they'd support better access to healthcare, educational supports, social services, gun control etc etc etc. But they're against all of that of course.



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    #1453
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119960754#Comment_119960754

    healthcare = grooming

    educational supports = grooming

    social services = grooming

    gun control = grooming

    etc = grooming etc.



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    #1454
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119959378#Comment_119959378

    What's alarming is that when there's a mass shooting against LGBT people in the US, the finger gets pointed to the right. Yet when a non-binary person shoots up an LGBT club in the US, we hear nothing from the same people.

    Yet again we see the same trend i.e. hypocrisy.

    Facts are only an occasional convenience; hand-picked, chosen only to suit a biased narrative.



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    #1455
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119960904#Comment_119960904

    like you're hand-picking around the right wing obsession with the right to weapons for mass shootings?

    Like you're biasing the LGBTQ community as somehow wholly left or right, the fact that there are right wing gays being only of occasional convenience to you?

    New look Eskimo but yet again we see the same trend i.e. hypocrisy.

    Laughable.



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    #1456
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119960904#Comment_119960904

    Is that the non-binary person who was raised by a father who preferred that he would commit such an act rather than be gay?

    Have you any evidence that the person who attacked the club did so because they were non-binary in a way that that could be considered a consistent or expected mindset of people who identify in this way, or what is that you'd expect people to say about this?

    And also, the reason people point to the right at the time of mass shootings is because of their infatuation with guns despite the harm they do to society. That was the case before the club shooting, at the time of the shooting, and since the shooting.

    So, can you tell us what you think should have been commented about this shooter?



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    #1457
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961240#Comment_119961240

    I'm not suggesting anything other than the status of the crime.

    That because is was a non-binary LGBT mass shooter, the same people who rightly bang on about mass shootings have suddenly gone silent on this particular one.

    I don't believe for one second that it's a coincidence.

    Everything you said could be true and it still wouldn't undermine the point I've attempted to make.



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    #1458
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961275#Comment_119961275

    They haven't gone silent, they spoke for several days about the homophobic nature of the shooters father.

    They continue to talk about gun control.

    What do you think they should say?



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    #1459
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961275#Comment_119961275

    "Im not suggesting anything"

    /suggests 'coincidences'

    Laughable



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    #1460
    Tell me how
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    @eskimohunt Is this what your signature is referring to?

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    #1461
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119942504#Comment_119942504

    Putin was a member of the Communist party, as were most of his leading generals and staff.


    They are putting up statues of Lenin and floating the Red flag in conquered Ukraine.


    While Putin has not even come close to the savagery of past Soviet leaders like Lenin or Trotsky in Ukraine, nevermind Stalin he eventually will if Left continue to rebuild the Soviet Union.

    History has repeatedly shown the common thread in Socialist societies and movements is the degradation of the human spirit and condition, through brutality, repression, control and savagery.


    By past personal history, by example and impact on the world Putin is firmly on the left and his backers in the West are primarily on the left.



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    #1462
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961331#Comment_119961331

    No, but it does refer to how free speech and freedom of expression is under direct assault from so-called "liberals", not the far-right.

    Free speech and free expression are most typically controlled and suppressed by authoritarian regimes. So how the pendulum has swung.

    That speaks volumes, and George Orwell was - as always on these matters - spot on.



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    #1463
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961354#Comment_119961354

    Can you point to a single act that is evident of Left wing ideology. You say 'by example' so I expect you'll be able to do this easily. When the USSR collapsed, no one, Putin included tried to retain a communist ideology but instead captured and monopolized as much of industry and resources for his friends and backers as they could.

    As for his foreign backers,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWagU2pkgo&ab_channel=BloombergMarketsandFinance

    The first 20 seconds is all you need to watch of this one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSuwiOe2dA0&ab_channel=MSNBC

    Republicans celebrating 4th of July in Russia

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    IN 2018, EIGHT REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS celebrated the Fourth of July in Moscow, Russia: Senator Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, who led the delegation, along with Senators Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, John Neely Kennedy of Louisiana, Steve Daines of Montana, North Dakota’s John Hoeven, Jerry Moran of Kansas, South Dakota’s John Thune, and Rep. Kay Granger of the 12th District of Texas. The ostensible reason for the trip was “engagement”—the same tired excuse Senator Rand Paul routinely provides to justify his own shadowy meetings with our enemies.

    In the UK

    Link

    Tories have taken £62,000 from Russia-linked donors since war began

    Boris

    Boris Johnson has told MPs he met Russian oligarch and ex-KGB officer Alexander Lebedev without officials present.

    But let me guess, you think a couple of MEP's who are anti-European militarization are of greater significance than these people.



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    #1464
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961402#Comment_119961402
    • So Musk banning people doesn't count now is that it?
    • Or Conservatives banning various books from libraries doesn't either?
    • Or the UK government making it harder to protest?
    • Or Putin arresting people for protesting with blank signs?
    • Or terrorist groups stopping drag shows?
    • Or former President Trump banning journalists?
    • Or Iranian religious leaders killing people for protesting against the actions of their morality police?

    How do justify saying this

    'No, but it does refer to how free speech and freedom of expression is under direct assault from so-called "liberals", not the far-right.'

    Examples please that counter these clear and obvious and happening right now right wing steps to stifle expression and free speech.



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    #1465
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961465#Comment_119961465

    Whatever list you wish you draw up, the attempt by the far-left to silence debate on certain subjects must be on that list.



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    #1466
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961540#Comment_119961540

    Swing and a miss. As expected.

    You can't point to any example of what it is you are saying is happening to show it is actually happening and yet you want to tell us not only does it exist, but it is a bigger problem than everything the right is actively doing.



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    #1467
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961576#Comment_119961576

    To take one example, there are certain issues re: LGBT issues, that cannot be discussed in society for fear of people being silenced or symbolically crucified. Some people even lose their jobs.

    That threat is not from the right-wing, it's very much a feature - an exclusive feature - of the far-left.

    As I said before, authoritarians wish to control language and speech. And no matter how much you want to tar the so-called right, you cannot wish away the legitimate threat that the far-left impose on freedom of speech and expression on LGBT issues.

    Of course, this is just one example. There are others I could cite, and it's a very regressive attitude that some on the vocal far-left have resorted to.

    I'm not surprised. If my arguments were as bad as theirs, I'd probably resort to the same techniques.



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    #1468
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961605#Comment_119961605

    there are certain issues re: LGBT issues, that cannot be discussed in society for fear of people being silenced or symbolically crucified

    Like what??



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    #1469
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961617#Comment_119961617

    Well that's the irony.

    I actually don't think I can mention the issues. Which sort of proves my point, doesn't it?



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    #1470
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,958 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961627#Comment_119961627

    Woa, do you sell lion repellent too? I don't see any lions around here.



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    #1471
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961637#Comment_119961637

    And this is the calibre of the kind of comment that those on the moderate right have to deal with.



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