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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    What's a climate change denier ? Clime changed a few times today. So were suggesting a ban on any criticism Seems very RCC. Are we suggesting a green head let spout any old nonsense without the ability to ask how much it costs ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    That's exactly what they want.

    "The Catholic and the Communist are alike in assuming that an opponent cannot be both honest and intelligent" (George Orwell) - this is just another ideology that's being challenged.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Speaking of coastal properties, the insurance industry certainly sees an issue

    Some properties might become "uninsurable" within the next 30 years, according to Barry O'Dwyre, an associate director in KPMG's sustainable futures department.

    Speaking to the Sunday Times, he said that insurers were receiving increased claims relating to extreme weather.

    Insurance Ireland has said that some companies have started to integrate climate-change risks into their risk assessments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Code for we found an excuse not to pay out and people swallow it hook line and sinker.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not sure you understand the meaning of the word "uninsurable"

    If the building is uninsurable there is no policy to pay out as the building is, well, uninsured



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Because they will not be challenged on the climate angle. These companies are not stupid.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The popularity of LocalLink services is growing

    Its a no brainer to provide these services. If only we could consolidate house building into villages and towns to make these even better. One of the biggest issues with our one-off housing is the difficulty in providing services to it



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That very much smells like a German "initiative" from the 1930`s.

    I`m not overly surprised when you consider the Minister for Communications is Eamon Ryan.

    If you take what Declan McLouglin said at face value, would that not also mean that politically the Irish Green Party could not be challenged as there would be "no actual alternative view". ?

    Not that it matters as I would look on that type of utterance as nothing much more than desperation by greens, but it has all the characteristics of a slippy slope which it is never a great idea to consider going down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Best disinfectant is sunlight. Let some climate nutters make a fool of themselves on TV that should not stop legitimate questions go unanswered. It stinks to high heaven. Our ideas don't stack up so remove any opposing voice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If you take an area that was previously green field and cover it with impermeable surfaces such as roof, footpaths, roads etc. then rainwater run-off into rivers is greatly increased.

    When an artificially swollen river meets a high tide then you are going to have flooding for low lying areas that previously didn`t flood because the rainwater released from that green field site was at a much slower rate over a greater length of time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭KildareP


    You don't need to challenge them on anything. Ask them for a clear, costed plan with timelines to accompany their ideas and the whole thing comes undone all by itself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Call me an old cynic if you will, but that did cross my mind as a reason for what looks to be nothing more than a desperate attempt to avoid being challenged on their hopium dreams.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The International Energy Agency have to keep revising the projections for renewable energy growth upwards because it keep growing faster than even their most optimistic projections

    But they have form in continuously underestimating it. Below is a graph from 2018 showing the projections are always underestimated and by a LOT

    There is still a ways to go to get us on track for net-zero, but the gap is closing, but maybe not fast enough, definitely more can be done

    Renewables are on track to overtake coal as the largest source of global electricity by early 2025. And by 2027, solar PV alone is set to be the largest source of power capacity

    Global renewable capacity dedicated to producing hydrogen is expected to rise 100-fold in the next 5 years, becoming a new sizeable growth driver. 50 gigawatts of wind & solar capacity for hydrogen are set to be spread across China, Australia, Chile, the US & other countries

    The global energy generation mix is changing

    Everyones favorite, China, have revised their plans upwards significantly and are aiming for 33% renewable energy generation by 2025

    The EU as a whole had already ramped up its plans prior to Putins war, but since then it has significantly scaled up its ambitions

    Policies, plans and challenges are discussed for many individual countries (Poland, Germany, India, France etc) should anyone wish to know more.

    It also calls out the impact of climate change through droughts in much of Europe and how it impacted on the hydro generators. A similar issue was seen in France for nuclear.

    The report is reviewed in detail below

    The actual report is available here




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Wait I thought we were not building fast enough ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fair play to UCC for doing their part in reducing the volume of plastic waste.

    Looks like they'll be making use of deposit return schemes too as well as a few other initiatives.

    I'm guessing it won't be long until we see all Uni's going this way.

    University College Cork (UCC) is to go plastic-free from the start of the new year, saving more than 140,000 plastic bottles and 370,000 coffee cups per year.

    UCC is bidding to improve its sustainability credentials with the new initiative which will, from January 2, see single-use plastics eliminated in campus shops and vending machines, as well as cafes, restaurants, and other eateries.

    Under the plan, the university will use 34 water refill stations across campus, while a deposit and return scheme will be available at all KSG food service outlets for students, staff, and guests for €2 reusable cup.

    Other innovations include installing 12 mini dishwashers across the campus, along with crockery mugs in all outlets, it said.

    UCC said that 1,500 reusable cups were handed out to students and staff in November, while it will sell a variety of keep-cups and water bottles at various price points.

    It will save 560,000 plastic bottles and 1.4m coffee cups during a graduate’s four-year degree, UCC said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    More climate rent seeking. The first thing to realise is that the more that people are scared of the future, the more insurance they will buy. As you might imagine, the insurance companies have been the allies of climate alarmists from day one. The big ones like Munich Re have been strongly pro-alarm since the early days. As have Swiss Re, and so has every insurer with half a brain. Climate alarmism is the insurer’s perfect selling pitch, people will have to insure against all the foretold dooms - they have to protect themselves from flood, fire, famine, drought, sea level, storms, insect-borne diseases, and all of the themageddon scenarios that were supposed to appear over a decade ago (still waiting).

    Here is what Warren Buffet had to say.

    Over the years, inflation has caused a huge increase in the cost of repairing both the cars and the humans involved in accidents. But these increased costs have been promptly matched by increased premiums. So, paradoxically, the upward march in loss costs has made insurance companies far more valuable. If costs had remained unchanged, Berkshire would now own an auto insurer doing $600 million of business annually rather than one doing $23 billion.


    Up to now, climate change has not produced more frequent nor more costly hurricanes nor other weather-related events covered by insurance. As a consequence, U.S. super-cat rates have fallen steadily in recent years, which is why we have backed away from that business. If super-cats become costlier and more frequent, the likely – though far from certain – effect on Berkshire’s insurance business would be to make it larger and more profitable.


    As a citizen, you may understandably find climate change keeping you up nights. As a homeowner in a low-lying area, you may wish to consider moving. But when you are thinking only as a shareholder of a major insurer, climate change should not be on your list of worries.


    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    @[Deleted User]

    To be honest I'm kinda looking forward to seeing SF get into power just to see how often they have to eat their words. It'll be fun to watch, not least of which on the budgetary side of things let alone anything else. Roll on 2025

    Well, I'll agree with you on that one 😁



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The argument that we couldn't match UK prices would also apply to nuclear. Especially since they have 70 years more experience in nuclear power and need the plutonium ( and tritium etc. ) for the MoD

    from that link https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-record-low-price-for-uk-offshore-wind-is-four-times-cheaper-than-gas/

    Renwables keep falling in price. So yes in real terms I expect prices to continue to fall due to economies of scale and lessons learnt. Stuff that used to take days now takes hours. Offshore work decommissioning oil rigs has costs fall by a fifth in five year. In contrast nuclear power plant keeps getting dearer.


    The only way you can make nuclear look competitive is to double the cost by suggesting that 50% of the power will be used for hydrogen and that it will still be billed to the customers who don't use it ?


    What's the strike price for Sizewell-C ?

    What's the strike price for the Korean reactors ?

    What do the balance sheets of EDF and Westinghouse look like ? A history of the run up to Hinkley-C is a who's who list of reactor providers that were financially unstable and/or have since left the industry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,460 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Renewables keep falling in price yet the consumer bills go up.

    Of course people will say that is the fault of gas and this will change once gas is de-coupled from the KWH price.

    I’ve asked before on here but received no answer- how do you de couple the price of gas from the consumer end price if renewables are intermittent Ie- need gas as back up?

    For example on Monday let’s say wind supplies 100% of the grid (obviously impossible at the moment) does that mean every consumer gets charged the KWH rate of wind for Monday (let’s say 10c per KWH).

    Now on Tuesday there’s no wind so we depend on gas to power the grid at a cost of 20c per KWH- will consumers pay 20c per KWH for the time gas is being burnt?

    What if the wind is intermittent on Wednesday and needs gas generators running in parallel in the background for when the wind drops off- do consumers now get charged 10c +20c= 30c per KWH?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




    Wind forecast is usually OK https://www.smartgriddashboard.com/#all/wind so the amount of gas needed is known, besides there are many levels of reserves on the grid so it's not like they turn all the gas on all the time.


    System Margins issued on Monday's and Fridays here https://www.sem-o.com/publications/general-publications/ for an overview of how things look for the rest of the week

    The Daily Dispatch Margin (green) is the anticipated difference between how much

    dispatchable capacity (generation, batteries, and demand response) is expected to be

    available to the System Operator, and the forecast peak system demand on the day.

    The margin takes into consideration local grid constraints.

    When the margin is negative, available generation is inadequate to meet demand if

    supply from other sources is not available on a given day. Other sources include

    renewable generation, flows from Northern Ireland via the North-South Tie-Line, and

    trades (imports) from Great Britain via the East-West Interconnector (EWIC).

    This margin can change on any given day, should generation capacity unexpectedly

    become unavailable due to forced outages or if the demand forecast changes.


    The installed wind generation capacity in Ireland is c.4,200 MW. When wind generation

    is high, the quantity of dispatchable generation required to meet demand and

    operational security requirements is reduced.

    So it's known in advance roughly how much gas is needed depending on demand and wind, and if support from NI / GB is needed too.


    You can also see the grid constraints there - https://www.sem-o.com/documents/general-publications/Wk49_2022_Weekly_Operational_Constraints_Update.pdf_Rev1 They explain that high inertia generators must be on load at all times near the large cities for grid stability, that open cycle gas can't run at more than 2/3rd's capacity so it can ramp up at least an extra 1/3rd pretty damn quick, also we've had Turlough Hill running since the 1960's, and now have interconnectors and demand shedding and batteries. There's 4 levels of operating reserves from 5 seconds to 20 minutes and three more levels of ramping margin from 1 hour to 8 hours. It's far from being on or off.


    As for the costs, there's auctions and suppliers bid so it varies, and it's a lot cheaper on windy days. Some day we'll have smart meters where the consumer can avail of the wholesale price. And a wholesale price that has a cap on windfalls.



    The same argument should apply to nuclear since you know there'll be an automatic SCRAM every six months at the outside if there were four reactors on the grid. And each SCRAM would lead to cascade failure if there wasn't spinning reserve or shed loads of very fast responding systems.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Over the last few months the UK has done an about-face on fossil fuels to renewables

    They started by lifting the moratorium on fracking only to restore it again a short while later.

    Now the restrictions on onshore wind has been lifted




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Climate rent seeking. They are not even trying to hide it, the useful climate idiots jamming traffic annoy the public, The British establishment make out like bandits.

    Baroness Brown to step down from CCC Mitigation Committee

    The Deputy Chair of the Climate Change Committee (CCC), Baroness Brown of Cambridge, Professor Dame Julia King DBE FREng FRS, is to step down from her role at the end of February following more than 12 years of service.

    The announcement comes ahead of Baroness Brown’s expected appointment to the Board of the Danish renewable energy company Ørsted in March.

    Property market faces energy-efficiency ticking timebomb: Two-thirds of UK homes will be unsellable by 2028 unless they insulate

    The Climate Change Committee, which is advising the UK government on how to achieve its net zero carbon emissions target by 2050, has recommended that all homes should have an Energy Performance Certificate rating of C from 2028.

    Tory peer’s firm is paid £500,000 from energy companies set to profit from fossil fuel boiler ban HE helped push through

    John Selwyn Gummer key figure behind decision to ban fossil fuel home heating

    His consultancy Sancroft International has received thousands in fees 

    Ban recommended by Committee on Climate Change which Mr Gummer chairs

    Already being investigated by Lords standards for £600,000 payment from ‘green’ businesses such as Johnson Matthey, which sells hydrogen technology

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    ‘Power demand capacity would triple’ – number of data centres could hit 150 putting strain on gas supply and climate targets - Independent.ie

    The writing is on the wall.

    Research by energy experts at University College Cork (UCC) shows 75 data centres were in operation across the country as of last July.

    Eleven more were under construction, 42 were approved for development and 18 were going through the planning process – a potential total of 146 with possibly others in the pipeline yet to be announced.

    “Should all projects be completed, power demand capacity would triple,” the report warns.

    ...

    Lead author, Professor Hannah Daly, says that means tackling data centre growth.

    She said if all planned centres were built and used electricity from the national supply, staying within the legally binding emissions ceilings: “would require deployment of renewable electricity capacity at implausibly rapid rates: a quadrupling of renewable electricity generation this decade”.

    The writing is on the wall.

    It is not going to be possible to power Ireland with the self-imposed restrictions on generation.

    Something has to give.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Where in any of that does it negate that even with the very highly unlikely scenario that we would end up with the same average strike price as the U.K. for this 30 gigawatts offshore plan, that even with Hinkley, "The dreadful deal behind the worlds most expensive power plant" nuclear for the consumer would not be cheaper ?


    The cost of nuclear compared to Hinkley is not becoming more expensive. You have only to look at the three bid offers for Poland`s nuclear plants to see that, and the days of economy of scale lowering the price for turbines are long gone. That is also obvious from the recent reported losses from Siemens, Vesta and especially General Motors where they are looking at $2 Billion in losses from their renewables unit this year.


    You may need to read what I actually said. I didn`t, nor did I need need to suggest that 50% of the electricity generated would be used for hydrogen, for the simple reason it is what the ESB plan says, and that means that the consumer would be paying strike price of double the U.K. @ £96. (€112), and that is without all the extra costs of hydrogen on top.


    Under the ESB plan the totally unknown costs for hydrogen construction, production, storage and distribution would be borne by the consumer which would bring the actual strike price for consumers well beyond £96 (€112) and thus well beyond the strike price of even "The dreadful deal behind the worlds most expensive power plant"


    Why are you worried about the balance sheets of EDF, Westinghouse or even KHNP. Similar to a wind or solar energy company when any of them sign a contract, any financial over-run is their responsibility. But if you are really worried then Westinghouse would be the one to go with. They were not the cheapest bid for the Poland contracts but still won, and from the enthusiastic congratulations from senior members of the U.S. government to the Polish government, it looks like they were heavily involved in swinging that contract Westinghouse`s way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,163 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo



    10 years from now it would be operational? I have to suggest that you are being highly optimistic there. I would wager that 10 years from now you would still be in planning on where to put it.

    Then I read the rest of your post and I can see you are just trolling. Waste disposal in Dublin Bay South? A nuclear reactor in the docklands?

    I might be out of the loop, but I dont believe the boats to maintain the windfarms use much uranium? And some breaking news for you, boats have been using wind for a little while now :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,163 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    LOL, should we invade a few countries while we are at it?

    We should deffo leave the EU, from what I can see its only positives!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Concerning fact is that Russian LNG played a very big role in meeting European gas needs since Nordstream went.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    What makes it even more strange, in the past 12 months there has been new articles stating the the environmental impact of different things have been over-estimated, very recently there was an article that methane levels from livestock is actually lower than previously stated, but I do remember a couple of people on Tonight Show making points about methane and they challenged the position of the Greens and the Government agency's ...so now they would be silenced even tho they were correct



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,163 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    "climate changed a few times today"

    Hmm, its kinda hard to take you seriously when you dont even know the difference between climate and weather!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Ok I will sit down and listen to your complete explanation on the subject. Are we using the 30 year bar as that wont work out to well for you guys.



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