Kanye West endorses Hitler

yeah, no racism there.

you really dont understand what racism is. or very much at all it seems.

You think that forced sterilisation of black people is not racist. that is beyond stupid.

I don't know about anyone else on boards archer22 but I do know that I don't need to go deep into Nazi philosophy.

Thanks for the suggestion and all 🙄

There were about 10 black people in Germany in the 30's and 40's. Of course, there were more, but you get what I mean.

Blacks were a rarity throughout Europe, in general, and in the Reich they were so rare most Germans had never even seen a black person. However, just like everywhere else in Europe and the "white world", the were discriminated against and in certain cases were shipped off to camps. But there was nothing peculiar about that. Many, many, people found themselves in the camps for little or no reason. But at the same time, there were cases of blacks just living out their lives as best they could during the war.

In the main, however, black people weren't really under consideration by the Nazis. Because their number was so few. You were statistically more likely to end up in the likes of Dachau because you once voted for the KPD.

There was a good book I read about a young black lad who lived in Germany during the Nazi period. His experiences aren't what you would have thought them to be. He expressed that most Germans treated him relatively well, even though he did receive racist discrimination from others. He even applied for the Hitler Jugen, but was refused on the grounds that he was malnourished, which happened to a lot of whites too.

The thing is, outside of a few instances, this man's experience in Germany would probably be no different than if he were born in Britain, France or America. In fact, if he'd been born in certain parts of the States he might have found himself hanging from a tree.

Another interesting account is from a black lad that served with JG27 in North Africa, after he became a POW. He found himself as a "batman" for Hans Joachim Marseille and was something of a mascot for the squadron. When the Germans retreated from North Africa, he was shipped out with them and remained in Germany.

24,000 out of a nation of nearly 80 million is nothing. 0.03%. The odds are that the vast, vast, majority of white Germans never saw a black person and I am well aware of the efforts on behalf of German eugenicists during the 30's.

I've spent more years studying the Nazi period than I'd care to mention.

In the grand scheme of things, they weren't, even if blacks were viewed as inferior within the Reich, as they were in all western societies at the time.

BTW, German sterilisation programs never specifically targeted black people, unlike programs such as Aktion T-4, which was drawn up specifically to "cleanse" people who were looked upon as mentally deficient. However people such as the Rheinlandbastarde tended to find themselves the victims of such policy, without the policy being particularly drawn up with them in mind, and between 400 to 800 people ended up being sterilised or aborted. This is because the Nuremberg Laws prohibited miscegenation and some blacks came under the umbrella of mischlinge, while others didn't and possible future children of mixed race couples would have been undesirable according to eugenics theory of the time. Often, though, it came down to the opinion of the local medical head, legal rep or Gauleiter as to whether a black person was considered eligible or not. But the fact of the matter remains that the vast majority of blacks in Germany didn't get sterilised and the weren't particularly covered by any Nazi eugenics laws.

There was no actual legislation put into effect for blacks living in Germany, because they were so few in number. The eugenics programs drawn up by the Nazis had no specific details outlining Reich attitude toward black people, even if they were generally thought of a lesser within German society. The Nazis had a hierarchy of "racial and political threats to the Reich", which the Jews operated at the top of. Further down the line were the Slavs, the Romani, and it continued on. But nowhere on that list were black people. Irrespective of what was done to groups like Rheinlandbastarde. But they weren't completely ostracised from Germany society in the same manner that Jews were. For instance they were allowed to work in paid employment, something which Jews were eliminated from. They were also allowed to join German military organisations and groups like the Hitler Jügen, provided they were considered fit enough.

The fact of the matter is is that the Nazis gave black people little thought, because it wasn't really that important to them, and the Nazi eugenics laws and thinking reflected that. That black people were considered untermensch within the Reich is a given and they certainly faced discrimination, primarily due to the Nuremberg laws. But as a target of the Nazis, they were very low on the list and there was no specific Nazi policy with regard to them. For example, nowhere in the Gesetz zur Verhütung erbkranken Nachwuchses are black people even mentioned, even though the Rheinlandbastarde were subject to sterilisation because of it.

That's is a matter of history.

Been years since my study of history but I'd always imagined that the Nuremberg race laws targets were assumed to be anyone non German and non white. I find it impossible to imagine black people were not a target, albeit a much lower priority than Jewish people.

It says here the Nuremberg race laws were later amended to clarify that black people were very much not welcome in German's volk, which is the term they conceived for this idea of a reich-wide racial hierarchy working to systemically exclude those it targets in these laws. First by removal of work positions, appropriation of assets, criminalisation of relationships with Germans

But I don't speak german and can't read the primary sources here (which are the racial discrimination laws themselves)