Kanye West endorses Hitler

The Nuermburg Laws outline the Nazi policy for non-Germans or people not of German blood, which is a very broad concept. However, in it there is specific mention of Jews and what Jews could be and do within the Reich. These laws were primarily designed to marginalise Jews within German society and limit what they could do and who they could do it with.

Others fell within these laws too with a technical expansion of the laws, even though they weren't particularly mentioned, such as the Romani and black people.

But there was never any solid and specific Nazi policy toward black people because in the main they were very low on the list of priority. For instance, they were never actually considered enemies of the state and as such weren't subject to ending up in a concentration camp as a matter of course, which Jews, Roma and homosexuals were. They were, however, considered to be exempt for Reich citizenship and were polluters of German blood.

As far as the sterilisation of the Rheinlandbastarde is concerned, they fell under a decree that never even mentioned them. The sterilisation program that they found themselves subject to mentioned people with mental deficiencies, hereditary defects, deformities and even alcoholism. But the "crime" of being black wasn't there. So, they ended up being discretely added, while not specifically targeted.

Nazi attitudes to black people during the Third Reich is actually hard to pin down, because it wasn't so straightforward as their attitudes to other "untermenschen" and appears to be quite ad hoc in nature.

The attitude of the average German citizen toward them is even more difficult to ascertain and the two examples I mentioned earlier ended being regular vistors to Germany to see friends, after the war ended. The gentleman who ended up with JG27 even attended reunions.

The Nuremburg laws were broadened, not amended. So, it remained aimed primarily at Jews. Even Gypsies weren't mentioned specifically, although they were singled out for sonderbehandlung. So, for instance, Gypsies could end up in a concentration camp by virtue of who they were. But, in general, no such parameters were set for black people within the Reich, even if some black people were sent to camps. In fact, the only documentary evidence we have for a black person being sent to a camp for being a mischlinge is Gert Schramm, who was sent to Buchenwald in 1944.

Below are the actual laws that were written into effect...

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Article 1

1. Marriages between Jews and citizens of German or related blood are forbidden. Marriages nevertheless concluded are invalid, even if concluded abroad to circumvent this law.
2. Annulment proceedings can be initiated only by the state prosecutor.

Article 2

Extramarital relations between Jews and citizens of German or related blood are forbidden.

Article 3

Jews may not employ in their households female citizens of German or related blood who are under 45 years old.

Article 4

1. Jews are forbidden to fly the Reich or national flag or display Reich colours.
2. They are, on the other hand, permitted to display the Jewish colours. The exercise of this right is protected by the state.

Article 5

1. Any person who violates the prohibition under Article 1 will be punished with prison with hard labour.
2. A male who violates the prohibition under Article 2 will be punished with prison or prison with hard labour.
3. Any person violating the provisions under Articles 3 or 4 will be punished with prison with hard labour for up to one year and a fine, or with one or the other of these penalties.

Article 6

The Reich Minister of the Interior, in co-ordination with the Deputy of the Führer and the Reich Minister of Justice, will issue the legal and administrative regulations required to implement and complete this law.

Article 7

The law takes effect on the day following promulgation, except for Article 3, which goes into force on 1 January 1936

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This is the text of the Reich Citizenship laws...

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Article 1

1. A subject of the state is a person who enjoys the protection of the German Reich and who in consequence has specific obligations toward it.
2. The status of subject of the state is acquired in accordance with the provisions of the Reich and the Reich Citizenship Law.

Article 2

1. A Reich citizen is a subject of the state who is of German or related blood, and proves by his conduct that he is willing and fit to faithfully serve the German people and Reich.
2. Reich citizenship is acquired through the granting of a Reich citizenship certificate.
3. The Reich citizen is the sole bearer of full political rights in accordance with the law.

Article 3

The Reich Minister of the Interior, in co-ordination with the Deputy of the Führer, will issue the legal and administrative orders required to implement and complete this law.

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As such these laws effectively made non-Germans, including Jews, "subjects" of the Reich and not Reich citizens, for which you had to be of German blood. But mixed blood Germans, or "mischlinge" could qualify, depending on the, how would you say, depth of the mix as it were.

Now, depending on who you were dealing with, blacks could end up on the list. But the fact is, that most black people in Germany at the time were not subject to the same type of treatment that Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses and others were.

If you say so, but what I’m seeing here is clear evidence that Nazis did have designs on black people contrary to your statements.

I wonder if any other big right wing name would risk having kanye west on their shows now. Even if they push back against his antisemitic conspiracy theories I think they may believe that it would be too damaging for their brands.

being low on the list, as you put it so dismissively, doesn't make hitler any less of a racist.

Continually trying to downplay the Nazis treatment of black people fits that description.

We’re getting tired of the crap too. Absolutely no point in trying to argue what you’ve been trying to argue, is there? Can you remind us what your point was, this isn’t a nazi history thread it’s a Kanye thread and I think you’ve gotten us all very lost on what you’re trying to say really if anything. A few posts ago you said the information I linked to completely aligned with what you had said so to now bash it and throw out a filibustering reading list - I have no idea what you are still trying to accomplish here, as a constructive argument. Trying to ‘contextualize’ or whatever it is you think you’re doing by taking us on the sidebar of “well ackshully the Nazis didn’t have a huge game plan for blacks specifically” doesn’t seem to be conducive to thread topic.

Go off about cheap points while going off about “my high horse” for going straight to an authoritative source, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Good lad.

I guess I would stop digging and relate this tangent of yours back to Kanye please.

If you’re going to waffle without evidence you’ll be dismissed without evidence. Trying to feign an intellectual superiority you won’t contribute to thread really is of no value or interest.

It has been demonstrated that Nazis did indeed have designs on blacks which is the relevant portion to this thread.

What’s that got to do with Kanye? Calm down will you

That sounds more like a political token because he needed China and Japans support in the Axis.

So are you going to make a point that relates to Kanye?

so what you’re saying is calling them honorary aryans was definitely a ruse.

because it suited him. the status for chinese people was withdrawn when China joined the allies in 1941. He also named his first chauffeur as an honorary aryan. According to the nuremburg laws he was jewish. You're reading far too much into the honorary aryan thing.