Teachers leaving Dublin schools due to accommodation costs

Rents in Dublin are only partly the reason, the cost of transport makes it not worth while traveling to Dublin for work from neighbouring counties. Im really considering leaving a job in Dublin after the new year for this reason!

Its hilarious, it's all anecdotal if the Department don't go compile the stats, thats really an admission of failure on her part. Any primary school I know of is doing this!

Problem with this is that schools will always want their control over recruitment to get 'the right fit'.

If that's about extending the dip/pgde to two years, then completely motivated by money....more years in college, more fees imo etc etc.....

Education or at least standards are in many ways being degraded by moves designed to get more heads and more money in the door.....there's a proliferation of policies and "frameworks" and "scaffolding" and engaging and contexts and remits .... but what a student can actually do at the end of it has really been watered down imo......and the irony of a policy decision excluding lower socioeconomic bands given how one could knock a pretty good game of inclusion bingo out of listening/reading the policies......

In fairness the 2 years was required by qqi to bring the hdip up to masters from diploma.

Anyone who did the pgde around 2009 (can't remember exact year) will know about the kerfuffle of not getting it recognised as level 9 when the colleges told students it was.

I think the crux of the matter was the Dissertation being done in a one year course, hence 2 years (plus other requirements tagged on). Really though a dissertation would be better if students had a bit of time served.

I say make it one year, slightly lower pay, then dissertation to be completed in 5 years with masters allowance to kick in upon completion.

The slight reduction in pay nationwide could easily pay for a Dublin bonus for the first 5 years.

Anyway, this is all pointless, nothing except tinkering around edges will be done. Dublin's loss is rural Ireland's gain for the moment. Dublin politicians kids are looked after in Dublin. Population will be falling in a couple of years.

Parents and kids will muddle through then move on with their lives.

It'll make the news August silly season and be lumped in with school uniforms and how expensive books are.

Since the PME was introduced there has been an overall downgrading in our education system. I can never understand how they can introduce new ways of doing things but can never go back to how things were, even when tried and tested and it's clear as day that the old way worked better for everyone.

Most of the people training to be teachers now and doing the PME are from privileged homes and backgrounds, they cant relate to half the kids theyre working with, who have often times been through more in their young lives than the new teachers will go through in a lifetime.

Don’t know if it’s intentional that you’re missing the point or not but you’ve missed the whole point of the thread seemingly. The van loads of lads are heading for Dublin because they can’t get work close to the small village where your from. If they could get work closer to home do you think they’d be piling into the van at 5am?!

Teachers can get work closer to the small village without having to go into Dublin. So why would they commute, they don’t have to? The teachers aren’t complaining, they can get jobs elsewhere. It’s the schools in Dublin are complaining because they can’t get enough teachers.

I personally know a few teachers too living in Dublin. 2 of them are leaving for their home counties in the summer. 2 are going to emigrate and 2 are staying in Dublin but seriously thinking about moving home or emigrating. Some are even leaving teaching altogether. One is actually going to work as a plumber with his brother instead of look for another teaching job.

And all of them are permanent long experienced teachers in Dublin and they dont have much of a chance of getting a permanent job when they move down the country (which i only just found out how that works), yet they are still moving.

My own company pays those who work in London or Dublin a city allowance of €420 per month. Everyone else gets an accommodation allowance of €300 or £300 per month depending on which country they live in. It doesnt matter if its towards a mortgage or your rent, its just added on to your salary.

Best cars? I've never seen a teacher driving around in a new lexus or Jaguar. Maybe a new VW at a push. Even at that it'd be the only new car in the car park, and they're have it for the next ten years.

Ya god forbid a teacher can afford a new car, definitely can't have that, rising above their station, wotwot.

What's your own job anyway salonfire.

Tell me now , and I'll tell you all about it.

A Dublin allowance will never be implemented.

Unions argue for equal pay for equal work. Your job being situated in an area with higher housing does not fall within this remit. Unions are more likely to argue for any policy that increases housing supply.

Interesting to read the cognitive dissonance in the media regarding the difficulty in finding a permanent position and availability of career breaks. There is a clear connect between the two. Career breaks, often multiple years, prevent new entrants from gaining a permanent position. I get that it is advantageous to the teacher taking a break, but it causes problems for everyone else, principals, kids, younger teachers etc.

Also, given the huge gender imbalance in the teaching profession, particularly at primary level, and the view that this is undesirable in other areas such as politics and private company boards, maybe it would be a good idea to look at some sort of preference to take on male teachers when permanent positions open up? It would have the benefit of increasing the gender balance, which is of course desirable, while also reducing the amount of maternity leave taken by teachers.

As we have seen, gender roles are changing and sometimes they need a bit of help from the government to change.

If you have a very large proportion of staff who are young females, you will need to have much higher cover than in a normal company for example. Primary teaching must be nearly unique in this respect in Ireland.

Holding permanent positions for years for people who are working abroad is one of the reasons it is so hard to get a permanent position for new teachers. The international market is mostly the middle east, which would be a hardship post basically, very few would want to stay there long term.