Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Seems to be bedlam today with many planes waiting for gates. Is there a delay on pushing back aircraft? or the morning delays causing extra congestion

I forgot that they de-ice before pushback so makes sense

Very difficult to plan for events that can occur only six or seven times a year lads.

And yet an airline who has it in house is the most in ribbons today ironically.

That seems pretty stupid. Flying out of Zurich last winter the aircraft taxied to a "drive thru" de-icing station before going to the runway. No blocking of stands and the aircraft are de-iced right before take off.

ironic that the airline that wants everything done on a shoestring complains when the shoestring snaps and takes their eye out.

FR to Lisbon 10.5hrs late

FR to Brussels 11hrs late

How much of FRs pretax $1.4bn profit would it have cost to actually have a few more de-icers available.

Considering this temp is due to last another 8 days at least, and it’s only the start of December. What’s the quote “364 days of the year we have 2 too many de-icers, 1 day of the year we don’t have enough!”. Well Mick, every year your penny pinching bites your ass.

$1.4bn profit or $1.399bn profit.

Won’t pay for what? Airlines pay for the deicing service, it’s up to the airport to have an open air space to allow it to happen. Is not special infrastructure that airlines need to pay for, it’s just the basics of being a competent airport operator

Very valid points raised by the last posters but bear in mind it would be very difficult to build a remote deicing bay close to (both) runways when there is already severe ramp congestion and a taxiway to the southern gate which conflicts with departures from 28L. How exactly would you accommodate aircraft taxing to de ice and then to the runway whilst handling inbounds when this is a struggle on a normal day?

Why is the new runway closed again today? Also I’d wager the de-icing delays are caused by lack of personnel rather than equipment or infrastructure.

I doubt much will change. Airlines would prefer to cancel flights at a typically loss making time of year than invest in better equipment and keeping properly trained staff with better pay and conditions. Accountants running an airline results in situations like this.

Indeed, however sometimes accountants running airlines have good outcomes.

Airlines not run by accountants might have twenty or thirty lads with expensive training and expensive equipment standing by for events that might occur say twice a year.

In situations where prices are pared down to the limit , these lads wandering around and equipment lying idle might ,just might, be seen as burdens on the bottom line.

Accountants might balance one against the other and come to the conclusion that the risk of extreme bad conditions fallout weather wise is worth taking.

Joxer taking the ‘extended’ down to Alicante at €90 a pop return would more than cover the risk they might say?

Just sayin’… big picture view.

You do.

Think about it, think of all the other airports in the world that do it. It’s a large separate area on the airfield….why ? Again because the airlines each do their own thing. How would parallels work with Swissport, service air, Ryanair and Aerlingus de-icers all trying to operate simultaneously ? Who controls the taxiways and the de-ice operation, who Co-ordinates the multiple contractors, fluid collection, aircraft movements, sequencing etc etc etc

The current model would work if the cheap assed accountants running the airlines spent a few quid on ground ops.

A de-ice pad would work but it would need to be one contractor for every airline at the airport, the same for “parallel taxiways”, which would need a company willing to only work random days occasionally over the winter.

Irish Times article here: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/12/11/dublin-airport-reports-fewer-delays-as-snow-and-ice-teams-work-overnight/

A suggestion of a normal window of up to 90 minutes between being deiced and departure seems optimistic to me but I am not an expert in the subject.

Sure the tower yesterday was covered in fog.Mate was waiting to push back and heard in the radio that the tower was asking other aircraft had they visual with other aircraft.