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Andor [Disney+]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,803 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Cant wait till Disney realize this is a money maker and commission a season 3 where we find out Andor is Obi Wan's son 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,614 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Only started watching this week and finished it earlier. Terrific work. Was a slow start and wasn't quite grabbing me, but by the heist during The Eye I was all in. Thankfully shows there is a lot of life and stories to be told in the SW universe without having to rely on lightsabers, space battles, Jedi and cameos.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,803 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I'm all for space battles but the cameos can fk off and so can trying to fit Jedi, Sith and lightsaber users into an era where there really shouldn't be any.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,614 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah I just think they can be overdone for the sake of it. They were used sparingly in Andor and to much greater effect.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    I rewatched Rogue One today, probably the first time since it came out in the cinema. I remember at the time thinking how not like Star Wars it was, but after Andor, all I can think is how much like Star Wars it actually is. The biggest drawback is the score, but I still really enjoyed watching it again. The ending beach scene is even sadder now, but the merge into episode IV really is great.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,714 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Ha this seems to be season 2 and that is it.

    Also seemingly not getting anywhere like the viewing figures of the other star wars shows....no accounting for taste! (Well existing recognisable IP I suppose..)



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    lets not joke about that , i love this too much :)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,378 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Somewhere, Dave Filoni just got a brilliant idea; I hope you're proud.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,358 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    One thing I am not happy about hearing, though, is the reveal that S02 of 'Andor' will be set across multiple years. That kind of jump never sits right with me at all. I'm sort of hoping that that angle might be dropped once things get going on the second series proper. 

    Maybe they'll have seen House of the Dragon and realise what hard work that carry on makes watching a series for everyone except the uber-nerds...


    As the old Han Solo would have said on hearing that

    I sort of felt that too, but I suspect it was largely due to me not following the various story threads closely and so not getting all the reveals...



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    Yeah, the final episode didn't have as many set pieces as the previous episodes, but it had the tension level at 150%, and the careful watching of the previous 11 episodes had pay offs on many fronts in my view.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,378 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Episode 10 after a brief pause, and wow, so cathartic. The prison break a great moment of liberty, even if you kinda sense for many it'll be brief - not least for poor Kino and his face when seeing the sheer drop into the ocean. Undone by an inability to swim, his goodbye with Andor halted by the clumsy interruption of someone else.

    And I sense this might be the scene Stellan Skarsgard really savoured, what a monologue. The man who knows his purpose is to be the Necessary Evil to fight the larger badness, that he'll never know peace or the world he's trying to shape. As he said he sacrificed everything, abandoned his core decency so he could use the tools of Empire against them.

    10 episodes in and I cannot fathom how this was allowed to exist, and how we have been lucky enough to have it in our lives. A Star Wars show about what fascism actually means, what it's cost is and how it effects people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,803 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I still can't get over the band scene. Some of the long shots instantly reminded of the street scene from Soy Cuba.

    And the brutality of the riot scene outdone a lot of dramas never mind sci-fi or Star Wars.

    I did love the big lad literally beating the sht out of people using Fiona Shaw. Its how she would have wanted to go 🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,803 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Directly" is just Joe being clickbait as usual. Certainly IRA funerals are an aspect and that doesn't surprise me. I would say most Americans writing about rebels would have the IRA to an extent.

    For instance I saw a lot of Ireland in Bajor and a lot of the IRA in the Maquis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I had no interest in this when I heard of it. Just finished it, probably the best Star Wars stuff since rogue one. Probably the best Star Wars series (and I really liked Mano).


    This was a wonderfully made show, music was exceptional, quite powerful at times. The adult themes, the adult heart, just wow.

    Do you know what else, it didn’t need space battles at all, but on the rare occasion we got it, it was way more enjoyable Because it was so rare and wasn’t really necessary to keep the show good.

    Solid 9 or borderline 10 out of 10. Loved it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    That was brilliant, very slow to take off but the ending was phenomenal. Just brilliant, real revolution movie spectacle. I almost hope they decide to not do a season 2 as they'll mess it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Season 2 has just started filming. Supposed to lead right into the events of just before Rogue One to tie it all up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,803 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If it goes right up to R1 then I assume we will see Mon having to do a runner. My money is on the daughter selling her out 1984 style.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I got that but more just the fear that they will ruin it somehow but the same could be said of most TV shows I suppose



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Is this going to be 5 seasons? With each year bringing us closer to Rogue One? Thought I heard that somewhere. Hope that's the case anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,490 ✭✭✭sioda


    Just 2 seasons so hopefully the quality stays as high as it is



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,378 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Episode 11 and took this long til we got a proper space battle, ha. Pretty effective one as well, albeit played rather simply and without too much showiness. Felt kinda earned and cathartic in some ways, Luthen allowed a chance to really flex his abilities.

    Gotta feel for this Krieger chap we haven't even met: basically everyone knows he's about to get shafted, killed even, yet for a rebellion to grow he must be allowed to fail. And one suspects Ferrix is where it'll kick off.

    As to the Ferrix stuff, very sad but also found myself suddenly wondering more about the aesthetics. I had presumed all that brickwork was simply a creative choice, but given what we learn about funeral custom - the buildings are perhaps the ongoing legacy of those who came before. That perhaps the Imperials can't remove a sentiment that's literally baked into the surroundings.

    Also kudos to the production for making the robot sympathetic without overdoing it. Not cutesy in the manner beloved of this franchise but something more like a family pet; clearly distressed but needing companionship and a warm body to help it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,378 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Bumping this thread for no other reason than sharing what was, in my humble, the finest monologues and speeches in any TV drama in 2022; still thinking about it, still dwelling on how well it can work if character just says how they feel, when it's pitched & acted this well.

    Imagine if this was the face of the rebellion Luke met after fleeing the Death Star, lol.




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,225 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There were some great monos in 'Andor' for sure, and like 'Rogue One' I love the way it eliminated that silly black and white image of the good guys/bad guys crap that was ladled onto Star Wars in the Lucas era or the sequel trilogy for that matter. Just shows what can be done with an IP when the right people are in place to write a decent script, cast decent actors and direct a compelling scene. Of course the Empire are still the "bad guys", as it were. But it's nice to not have it wrapped up in a ridiculous panto for 5 year olds.

    I was coming around to thinking that 'Rogue One' was an accident. An aberration amongst the generally poor Star Wars fare by Disney. But 'Andor' showed that to be incorrect. Star Wars can be good under Disney's stewardship.

    In fact, it can be bloody marvellous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Wow.. I cannot believe I initially overlooked this, it was absolutely superb, episode 10 is the best hours tv of the year. It looked fantastic and the writing was miles better than Bobba Fett or Obi one. Everyone involved in future Star Wars material needs to watch this and then watch this again



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    It's definitely a scene I can associate more with Rogue One than Star Wars.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,378 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Episode 12, finished up and left wanting more. Such a simple structure for a season finale, being the straightforward - if somewhat doomed - catharsis of watching Ferrix decide Fúck This, and responding to Maarva's stirring call to action. God bless Fiona Shaw; she wasn't in this a lot, but by god she sold every single scene she was given. All the actors knocked it out of the park but the particularly venerable ones like Shaw or Skarsgard really upped their game.

    “There is a wound that won’t heal at the centre of the galaxy; it’s here and it’s not visiting anymore. If I could do it again, I’d wake up early and fight the bastards from the start. Fight the Empire!”

    You know. Looking back on this as a whole: Star Wars was always very anti-fascist, but only in a very superficial sense through its blatant Nazi stand-ins and iconography; iconography sometimes a little too fond of looking cool and enticing. It wanted to play with toy Nazis rather than examine what that actually meant.

    This show has frequently, and quite openly, raged as an intentional polemic against the realities of fascism; that slow drip of authoritarianism and its reliance on mass complacency to persist. Or for good people to shrug and say what can I do?. As the posthumous recording from Karis noted: fascism is an entirely unnatural concept, requiring constant vigilance and oppression to work, but crumbles the moment people push back even a little.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,803 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I wish we had gotten more of Karis and also that he was a bit less of an obvious "student union socialist" trope. Maybe I'm just bias against him cause the actor really annoys me.



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