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Speed or distance?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Nice racing. I like the sound of that Cork 10, might put it on next year's list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 6 of 18

    Sep 5th - 11th

    Mon 5th

    6mi Easy - A noticeable drop in temperature this morning and quite blustery. Avg 8.47/mi on flat terrain with avg HR of 136. Feeling quite tight on the tops of the calves after the previous day's HM. Never really felt that before.

    Tue 6th

    6mi Easy - Decided to bring forward another of the plan's easy days instead of doing the interval session. Calves were still tight so figured it might be better to give them a little more recovery. Avg of 9.19/mi on hillier terrain with HR avg of 140.

    Wed 7th

    10mi Intervals - 1200x4 @5k pace with 400m recovery

    Interval time target was 5.12. Splits came in at 5.16, 5.09, 5.15 and 5.17. Not the disaster that last week's interval session was but it would be preferable if they were a bit more on point. Overall avg pace of 8.25/mi with avg HR of 146.

    Thu 8th

    Rest day

    Fri 9th

    7mi Tempo - I took the full 3mi warmup before starting the marathon pace efforts. Stopped briefly during the WU to chat to a clubmate and somehow talked myself into joining the club team for cross country! The marathon miles were all coming in either on pace or very slightly faster except the last one came in approx 20s slower. I don't know why as I was following the workout set on my watch and indicated pace stayed bang in the middle. The only thing I can think of is that I did a 180 turn during the last mile and maybe the GPS didn't record it properly? It's curious how these paces feel harder during training than they do in a race. 11.4 miles for the session with 8.13/mi avg and 149 avg bpm. Edged past 1000 miles for the year on this run.

    Sat 10th

    10mi Easy - An afternoon amble around Muckross lake which is rolling terrain with some trail elevation as well. 9.2/mi with 139 avg HR. It felt warm, and sticky and humid and I was glad when it was done. Treated myself to a '99 on the way home.

    Sun 11th

    8mi Easy - The forecast was for rain all day so I decided to head straight back out after volunteering at the junior parkrun. While we only had a quarter of the usual turnout it was amusing to see the kids having no bother with the rain while senior races were being cancelled on the day. The rain wasn't as heavy when I got out myself although by the end I was drenched which would have happened anyway with the humidity of late. 9.02/mi pace with 136 bpm HR avg. 

    52 miles for the week which is probably my longest week since lockdown #1. 

    Oddly enough my "Fitness and Freshness" score is falling like a rock on strava down to half what it was at the Cork Half. Another metric probably best ignored :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    I'd recommend. It's very flat really with an ever so slight downhill gradient for the last couple of miles. The last couple of runs have been in nice, late summer sun with good turnout and good atmosphere. No medals but the top is nice for winter training.

    Just remember to factor in that ramp and bridge at 7.5 miles 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 7 of 18

    Sep 12th - 18th

    Mon 12th

    6mi Easy - The usual Monday easy 6 miler. I don't remember too much about this except that it felt a little sluggish. Pace was on the slower side of easy (can't remember if that was intentional or not) at 9.12/mi with HR avg of 138.


    Tue 13th

    Interval day or at least was meant to be. Right achilles tendon felt a bit too tight or maybe it was psychosomatic as I tried to procrastinate on the intervals. In any case an unplanned rest day ensued.


    Wed 14th

    10.5mi Ladder Intervals - 400, 800, 1200, 1600, 1200, 800 @5k pace with 400m recovery

    Split targets: 1:43, 3:24, 5:05, 6:50, 5:05, 3:24

    Actual: 1:42, 3.32, 5:09, 6:58, 5:18, 3:25

    Only noticed afterward that there was an extra 400m at the end of the ladder that's omitted on the program table (table 4.4) but included in the speed workouts. Reasonably ok with that as my 5k speed is probably somewhere in the 21 - 21:30 range at the moment and suffers with high volume. Got out near to dusk for this and with a lot of tree cover on the route it was pretty dark for a lot of it. Pace averaged overall at 8:25/mi with avg HR of 148.


    Thu 15th

    7mi Easy - Brought forward this easy run to samdwich it in between the two sessions. With an eye on the fact that it was between sessions I'd planned to run very much on the easy side but got into a rhythm where it seemed easier to keep going so ended up doing it on the fast side of easy at 8:41/mi with an avg HR of 141. The cooler temps of late and lower humidity certainly make these runs that bit easier. 

     

    Fri 16th

    11mi with 7mi Tempo - After a two and a half mile warm up I got stuck into the marathon paced miles. 7:49 was the target

    Actual: 7:43, 7:42, 7:48, 7:41, 7:42, 7:59 and 7:36

    The second last mile was due to a drop in concentration which was over-corrected in the last mile. I have a tendency when I notice that I've got a bit of a buffer over the target early on that I try to hold that buffer. Which is probably fine for 7 miles but probably likely to be detrimental over 26 miles. An avg pace of 8:02/mi and avg HR of 146


    Sat 17th

    8mi Easy - Had planned to get these done early before doing setup at parkrun but the venue was still locked up when I arrived. Went off and did 5 mile, did the setup and did the remaining 3 in the parkrun. Started off easy but, as usual, couldn't resist the temptation to chase so each lap got progessively faster. Nice morning for it but it was pretty chilly at the start. The car temp read 3 degrees on the way in. Garmin stats got messed up with a long pause and restarting the watch a few hundred metres away from where it was paused.


    Sun 18th

    14mi Long - I've raced twice in this plan and they both co-incided with the days long runs were prescribed so this is actually my first long run on this plan. I somehow got all the way through (sort of) the Hanson's Half Marathon plan without noticing that there was as a distinction in terms of pace for the weekend runs. I simply didn't notice that some were labelled long and some labelled easy. I've always treated the long run as an easy run.........just longer.

    8:29 per mile was the target.

    Actual: 8:29, 8:25, 8:23, 7:54, 8:20, 8:15, 8:15, 8:09, 8:24, 8:24, 8:37, 8:16, 8:08, 8:14

    I tried to drink water while running on mile 11 and it didn't go well. Probably coughed up half a lung. Feeling the miles catching up on me for the last few there but still could probably have run a couple more if I had to. Just as happy that I didn't need to though. Avg pace ended up a 8:19 with avg HR of 148.

    Reasonably happy with how things are progressing at the moment.


    58 miles for the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Unknownability


    There is a big distinction between long and easy runs in the Hanson Plan that you should be aware of.

    Long is 30-40 seconds on top of PMP and they alternate every other weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Yes, and I was wondering why I hadn't noticed that distinction when I did the Hanson Half Marathon version. However Hanson copied and pasted the pace chart from the Hanson Marathon book into the Hanson Half Marathon book (table 3.5). The tempo paces in the pace chart table is definitely wrong as they are for the full marathon so that places some doubt on whether the rest of the table is half marathon specific.

    I did however notice the distinction when I started the full marathon plan. I think I prefer the faster long runs but my opinion might change after a few weeks of them 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 8 of 18

    Sep 19th - 25th

    Mon 19th

    6mi Easy - Did this on a reasonably flat local route. At times a little too fast so knocked it back a bit. Maybe there would be more advantage to keeping it to the slower end of slow pace? Not sure. Avg pace came in at 8.48/mi so still a touch hot with avg HR of 140.


    Tue 20th

    Interval day so 3x 1600 with 600 recovery was the order of the day. Decided to do this on the track for a change and joined in with the club session albeit doing my own thing.

    I think my 5k pace right now would be about 21.15 so the pace target for this was 6.55 per 1600m.

    Splits: 6:59, 6:57, 6:48. Tbh I'm not particularly concerned about nailing the speed sessions. I'd have a much better chance of hitting the paces with a training partner to bring out the competitive edge that I need to push for speed. That said the effort felt slightly easier than usual especially for the latter reps. I think just having the other club members there running their workouts on the inner lanes was a benefit.


    Wed 21st

    Rest Day.


    Thu 22nd

    7mi Tempo - Did this on a flat section of road (very much relatively speaking) and started with a two mile warmup. I'd planned to monitor pace on each mile using the lap feature on the watch but the constant watch checking became annoying so I abandoned that and ran by feel. Unfortunately it quickly became evident that I couldn't run marathon pace by feel.

    Target pace was 7.49/mi

    Actual: 7:54, 7:43, 7:33, 7:45, 7:43, 7:37, 7:45

    Avg HR for the tempo miles was 157 which is higher than I'd like it to be for marathon effort. It was low 150 avg when I ran DCM last. Perhaps if I can figure out how to keep the tempo runs closer to target pace then it will drop down. The main takeaway I took from this run is "this is really not how I want to feel in mile 6". Anyway still plenty of tempo runs to iron this out.


    Fri 23rd

    6mi Easy - Again joined the club training for this. The advantage is the softer surface of the track and getting in the drills and core work. The disadvantage is that it's necessary to split the run and then continue it after doing the cooldown exercises. Avg pace - 9:18/mi with avg HR of 135


    Sat 24th

    10mi Easy - the plan was to do 7 early and finish off with the parkrun. The intention was to run the parkrun easy also but that after about 3 or 4 hundred metres that plan went to pot. That was a bad idea as I had a XC race the following day. So did the first 7 (actually turned out to be 8) miles at approx 8.50/mi with 135 avg HR and the final 3 miles at approx 6.50/mi and avg HR of 165.


    Sun 25th

    10mi Easy was on the plan again today but I'd let myself be talked into doing cross country with the club. The thinking was if we could field a full team then there would be a good chance of a medal. Hey, it had worked before. I got sight of the team sheet a couple of days before and saw we had more than enough with 6 team members. I recognised 4 of the names who were all faster than me and chances are the other guy would be as well. Good, no pressure then. This would be my first XC race. I've been meaning to have a go for a couple of seasons but didn't for various reasons (injured, untrained, too lazy!). I lined up for the 6k race still leggy from the previous day's hard effort - not ideal preparation! It didn't matter anyway as many of the runners were comfortably sub 20 5K runners with several sub 18 runners. On my best day I wouldn't have got near them.

    I had to settle for my own race within a race as I targeted R. He had shot ahead in the first of the 6 and a half laps but the gap was narrowing, slightly at first and then more obviously, with each lap. I had caught up with him halfway through the last lap and was pondering when to overtake. I decided to settle in behind and recover a bit and then pounce pretty close to the line. However he was slowing and I was nearly running into the back of him so I overtook with more than a quarter of a lap remaining. R says "well done" and I reply that "it's not over yet". He says "oh, it is for me". 

    That might have been it except some of R's team are lining the finish chute and start roaring encouragement. "C'mon R, you can take him, c'mon R, you can do it". Without coming across all Meghan Markle I'm wondering where my support is. R gets a second wind and sprints for the line. It takes me a nanosecond to decide "nah, not today". And so I finish second last instead of third last. At least our team has placed second and, thanks to club policy, all team members get a medal.


    Just over 45 miles for the week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    The medal collection just keeps growing for you. Well done again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Well done on your XC debut😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Medal on your XC debut D, well done! It was a good race to watch as KVAC and An Riocht duked it out for the team prizes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 9 of 18

    Sep 26th - Oct 2nd

    Mon 26th

    8mi Easy - I got out of the car and faced into a blustery headwind that I knew would last about a quarter of a mile at least. I felt like just getting back in but told myself that these days make the difference between a good and bad marathon. That's probably nonsense but gotta get the motivation somewhere. Actually it turned out to be a pleasant run and I had the wind behind me for the quarter mile home. Avg pace of 9.12/mi with over 800 feet of elevation for an avg HR of 137bpm.


    Tue 27th

    6x800 intervals. Went back to the track again for these. Took a shorter warmup this week of 1 mile and launched into the repeats.

    Target Time: 3.25

    Actual: 3:26, 3:25, 3:25, 3:25, 3:22, 3:26

    I was very pleased with the pacing on these with having 5 of the 6 repeats within a second of target. I made an effort of trying to watch how the legs move when at the correct pace and then try to keep that consistent. Pace was also at the higher end of my 21:00 - 21:30 guestimate of my current 5K time but felt comfortable for a change. Rain was lashing for the whole session and the cool down afterwards but you can only get so wet and it's still relatively warm so not so bad.


    Wed 28th

    This should have been a rest day but I brought forward one of the weekend easy runs to free up a day for the XC at the weekend.

    8mi Easy - Got saturated with rain again on this as I got caught in a heavy shower about half way through. Other than that nothing much to report. Avg 8.58/mile and 136bpm on fairly flat terrain.


    Thu 29th

    8mi Tempo - The MP paced tempo went up a notch this week to 8 miles.

    Target pace was 7.49/mi

    Actual: 7:50, 7:46, 7:45, 7:47, 7:42, 7:46, 7:45, 7:52

    The majority of those miles were still slightly hot in terms of pace but not as far off as last week. Avg HR was only a couple of bpm lower than last week but that still felt quite a bit more comfortable. Still some work to do on nailing the pace for PMP. 12 mi in total with avg pace of 8.05/mi and avg HR of 151bpm.


    Fri 30th

    7mi Easy - Another plodding easy run with not much of note to report. It was nice to get a dry run for a change. Avg pace - 9:17/mi with avg HR of 135 with elevation of almost 500 feet.


    Sat 1st

    15mi Long (Actual 12mi) - The target pace for this was 8.29/mi and it took a fair bit of concentration to get close to that pace. Any lapse of concentration and the pace would creep up. I was mostly unsuccessful in keeping to that pace as the miles came in at 8:29, 8:26, 8:27, 8:25, 8:24, 8:20, 8:24, 8:16, 8:20, 8:27, 8:23, and 8:22. So the pacing aspect of the run was disappointing but I also started experiencing a pain under the arch of my foot. This got a little more pronounced as the run went on and although I probably could have finished out the 15 I pulled the plug at 12 miles. I had a race the following day and just figured why risk it further for another three miles?


    Sun 2nd

    County Cross Country Masters

    Back to the scene of last week's race for more XC. This time for the Masters event and this time we only had the 4 in the team so my score would be counted. There seemed to be a lot more lined up for this race than last week's novices race and the distance was 1k longer at 7k. The ground was also slightly softer after a week of rain but not by much. I was feeling an extra 20 miles of training in the legs this week and the hip flexors were feeling a bit sore. I knew on the first lap that my pace was slower than last week (about 12s/mi slower as it turned out). On the second lap a young child said a bit too loudly to her friend "My daddy's last but that's ok" which I found very funny but also told me I wasn't last. The marathon endurance training paid off somewhat as I caught 3 runners in the last couple of laps and finished in good shape so at least it felt like a better race than last week. It looked like we were going away empty handed for our efforts but after a re-check we were placed third for bronze. Still good craic and a good atmosphere about the place. Next week is the seniors race and that will be the XC done I think!


    Just shy of 64.5 miles for the week. I think I did a slightly longer week during lockdown #1 but that's probably my second highest weekly mileage ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Cracking mileage and well done on Sunday, back for more laps next weekend...fairplay 👏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Thanks D. I think we'll have some of our faster runners back for the senior race with probably a good chance of a medal. Then I can just tap around at my own pace when the lads have all the hard work done and collect a medal too. Gotta think of the long game 😉😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Having a team at all in this game gives a very favourable chance of a medal! You'll be there as back up as needs be I am sure. Been very impressed seeing lots of more clubs fielding teams this year, I hope that carries on into the road race in the new year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 10 of 18

    Oct 3rd - Oct 9th

    Mon 3rd

    6mi Easy - I'm in a bit of a paranoid phase at the moment where I've suspected any slight twinge or irritation is going to flame up into a showstopper after a long week last week so I opted to do this run on grass circuits of the local sports ground. It's boring and monotonous and has a hill that repeats every 800 metres but, in theory, should be easier on the legs. Wore my trail runners which I've had for years and brought their mileage up to a grand total of 32 miles. I really must do more trail. 

    Avg pace of 9:28/mi, avg GAP of 9:13/mi and avg HR of 140bpm. No after effects from the previous week flared up so happy with that. 


    Tue 4th

    3x1600 intervals. The track is as also easier on the legs so I stuck to that for the final of the speed sessions. Hallelujah!!

    Target Time: 6.50

    Actual: 6:57, 6:46, 6:46

    Happy enough with that and happy to see the back of the speed sessions for the moment.


    Wed 5th

    Rest Day. 


    Thu 6th

    8mi Tempo - This was the plan but I thought of the XC racing at the weekend and the little warning niggles from last week and felt it a better idea to just run the 8 miler easy. Avg pace 9:21/mi, Avg GAP 8:50/mi, Avg HR 139bpm


    Fri 7th

    6mi Easy - I'd planned to swap around the 6 miler and 10 miler so that I wouldn't have the 10 mile the day before the XC racing. However I left it until very late to get out and only really had time to do the 6 before it got really dark. The clocks will be rolling back in a few weeks and then we'll really feel the short evenings. It's going to make midweek runs a lot trickier. Avg pace on this was 9:11/mi, Avg GAP of 8:36/mi and avg HR of 137.


    Sat 8th

    10mi Easy - Got out in the afternoon for this after parkrun volunteering and took what's becoming a regular loop around Muckross lake. I went the opposite direction to what I normally do to get the most of the elevation out of the way early. The route remains relatively undulating all the same. The left hip flexor started squeaking slightly towards the end. Pace avg was 8:52/mi, Avg GAP was 8:18/mi and avg HR was 137.


    Sun 9th

    County Cross Country Seniors

    After the Novices and the Masters this week it was the turn of the Seniors Race for the County XC. It was a day of unrelenting rain and while it varied in intensity it never actually stopped. I thought we were up early so I went for a 2 mile warmup but it was almost a further hour and a half before the senior men's race started. We also got the news early on that the two strongest runners in our team were out sick. Indeed there was far less runners for this race than had been in the previous two. 

    Conditions were quite a bit slippier and muckier than the previous two weeks. Once again I was towards the tail end of the field but I did catch one of the other team's lads on the second last lap and lapped the last finisher. The others were about a minute a mile stronger. We thought were in with a good shout for team silver but as one runner had run with the wrong number bib it took until later that night before the results could be issued and we found out we had indeed secured team silver. 3 XC races and 3 medals secured. This team thing is great!! :) The race was supposed to be 10K. For me it worked out at 6.01 miles at avg pace of 7:27/mi and avg HR of 157bpm.


    Just over 50 miles for the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 11 of 18

    Oct 10th - Oct 16th

    Mon 10th

    8mi Easy - Another late evening run and with the fading light which finished practically in darkness but I was lit up like a Christmas tree. Avg speed 8:51/mi. Avg GAP 8:13/mi. Avg HR 136bpm, elevation gain 837ft.


    Tue 11th

    6x1mi - The first of the strength sessions on the plan. Having done the Hanson Half Marathon plan earlier in the year these look very similar at first glance. The required pace is obviously easier but that's compensated for by the reduced recovery.

    Target time 7:40

    Actual: 7:33, 7:31, 7:36, 7:38, 7:34, 7:35

    Not quite on target but nearly all my runs are defaulting to slightly faster than target so may as well roll with it.


    Wed 12th

    Rest Day. 


    Thu 13th

    8mi Tempo - I took the new Vaporfly Next% out of the box for this in order to break them in a little before race day.

    I hadn't worn a pair previously and tbh I was a bit underwhelmed while running with them. There didn't seem to be anything particularly notable about them - certainly no wow factor.

    Target pace for the Tempo miles: 7:49

    Actual: 7:44, 7:41, 7:48, 7:44, 7:38, 7:33, 7:44, 7:40

    Avg HR for this run was 148bpm which was a few beats lower than the last time I did a PMP run. Perhaps cooler weather or the shoes was the reason. I wore my 2019 DCM top for this which was a bit too warm (or it was too humid) as I was plastered in sweat afterwards. After this session and the strength session my watch was very pleased with me and granted me another couple of vO2 max points and bumped up my predicted race times.


    I've a better chance of taking over from Liz Truss as UK PM as I have of getting those predicted times any time soon. 😄


    Fri 14th

    8mi Easy - I swapped around the 7 and 8 mile easy days these week and got this done circling a local hill. A wee bit of elevation involved but felt pretty comfortable. Avg pace 8.50/mi, avg GAP 8:08/mi, avg HR 138bpm, elevation gain 804ft


    Sat 15th

    7mi Easy - I split this run in two. First up was the morning parkrun. A lad I know told me on the start line he was looking to break 25 minutes but two pacers he'd lined up didn't turn up due to the horrible weather forecast. I offered to pace him. It didn't quite work out that well as my GPS was jumping around the place. It would have been ideal if he was trying to break 24 minutes!! Anyhow he was 9 seconds out but the day was not PB friendly with a heavy shower with hail. I was soaked by the end so changed out of the wet gear and went for some post parkrun nibbles and chat. Went out later in the afternoon for the latter 4 miles on today's agenda.


    Sun 16th

    The first of the 16 mile long runs. I haven't taken a gel in this training block yet so figured it was time to start practicing. I took a high 5 caffeine gel about 15 minutes before the start and brought two Kinetica gels with me. I used an 8 mile loop so waited until I was back to the car before taking the second gel and getting some water. Jaysus, they are sweet! I tried ingesting it gradually on the run while drinking from a 250ml bottle. It was a bit fiddly but could be done. I felt good through the first half and thought of extending the run to 18 miles or perhaps even 20 but in the end decided to stick with the plan. Happy with how it went and felt I could have handled the extra mileage (to 18 anyways) if I had to. No point in risking injury by extending though and besides the rain was starting. Avg pace - 8:19/mi, Avg GAP 8:02/mi, Avg HR 141bpm

    62 miles for the week.

    It turns out Cross Country isn't over yet as the team is heading to the Munster Novices next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Just been catching up here. Congrats on the cross country medals, and also just for doing the cross country in the first place - tremendously beneficial for any runner. It's a bit late now but I probably would have eased off more on the SOS sessions during that three weeks of racing that you did, but you seem to have survived with the small changes you did make so no matter. I'd watch that in future though! If you're racing next week I'd be curtailing or cancelling at least the session before and/or after.

    Good to be testing the gels out nice and early. I managed the full quota in my recent race, I think for the first time ever, and there's no way I would have been able to tolerate that without plenty of testing and getting the stomach used to the stuff in advance, even if it's only the odd one here and there.

    Nice work!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Thanks @Murph_D, that's very useful advice and a good prod on the gels issue. I wasn't sure how to handle the nutrition as my stomach was in bits at the end my one and only marathon after the high 5 gels which I hadn't practiced taking beforehand.

    I think I'll try the Maurten ones this time. Would taking them for the tempo runs and long runs be sufficient practice or should I add a strength or another easy run to the mix too?

    I guess I got away with the XC as I didn't need to go all out (it would have made no difference). Dropping two sessions for it is too high a price (marathon is priority) so I'll just do this week and bow out after that. I'll do 9 mile easy tomorrow instead of the tempo run and take Monday very easy and hopefully be back on track for next Tuesday"s strength session.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    Tempo/Long runs will be more than sufficient to test them out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Yes, it's important to test taking the stuff at race pace, and also while fairly tired or depleted on the long run. I did take a few more on easy runs but this was just purely to get more opportunities to try the stuff out as I left it quite late in the programme to start doing this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 12 of 18

    Oct 17th - Oct 23rd


    Mon 17th

    6mi Easy was on the plan but it was a really nice afternoon and six miles looping some football fields was less appealing than taking the bike out for a spin. Was surprised to pick up a few strava segment prs despite not being out in weeks. Must have been favourable wind directions.


    Tue 18th

    4x 1.5mi Strength Intervals - I got quite squeezed for time and it was after dark before I got out to do these. I tried my best to handicap myself - first by only programming half the recovery time into the watch by accident, then by going out in the dark, in the rain and within an hour of eating a full dinner. I managed to spot the timing error but it was the last thing that done in this run. 

    Target time per rep: 11:30

    Actual: 11:30, 11:36, 11:49, ??:??

    Even though I'd taken out the Vaporflies for this they couldn't overcome the feeling of running on a full stomach. I just about made the pace on the first rep, things had started to slip on the second rep and by the third rep the wheels were off. Lashing rain and running with a headtorch didn't help. I won't be doing speed sessions with a headtorch in future. Just a bit too risky as hard to judge the ground for puddles or hidden dips and I almost tripped over a fallen branch I didn't see. I called it after the third rep as it was really miserable and I didn't think anything was going to be gained by running another rep in the rain at slower than PMP.


    Wed 19th

    Rest Day. 


    Thu 20th

    8mi Tempo was on the plan but instead I ran an easy 10 mile after my last visit to the physio in this block (well, hopefully last!). The last stretch of the Tralee to Fenit greenway had only just been opened so I tried it out. It will be a handy facility for runners from the Tralee area and around looking for safe, off road options. AVG pace of 8:49/mi, avg GAP - 8:29/mi and avg HR of 136.


    Fri 21st

    10mi Easy - Another easy plod around. With the weather being pretty miserable I was fully expecting to get drenched on this run but somehow I managed to find 90 minutes where no rain fell. Happy days! I took this one quite leisurely with an avg pace of 9:27/mi, avg GAP of 9:06/mi and avg HR of 133. Made a conscious effort to keep the effort on the easy side of easy.


    Sat 22nd

    10mi Easy - Yet another easy 10 miler although I stretched out this one to 11.5 miles to round up the weekly mileage. That's a little OCD. This run was back on the faster side of easy with avg pace of 8:53/mi, avg GAP of 8:29/mi and an avg HR of 137. Tbh I think the three 10 milers were starting to catch up on me. Felt a bit wrecked that evening.



    Sun 23rd

    Munster Cross Country Novices - This was held near Riverstick in Cork. The distance for Men's Novices was 6k which was 3 laps of the course. The course itself seemed to consist mainly of uphill with one sharp downhill section. We were expecting rain and showers on the day but thankfully that did not materialise and it was dry. The course itself was fairly cut up with quite a few sections being pretty much muck after the days racing and we were last to line up for the off. There were 106 competing in the Novices race plus another 13 U23 men. We lined up, got called to the start line and the gun went off. We tore across the field to the first turn about 150m away. I looked behind after taking the turn and there was no one there. FFS, I was last! Oh, well. I remained so for the first lap but passed one guy and then another early in the second lap. I had my eye on another who looked tantalisingly close but he, unfortunately was still moving at the same speed as me and pulled away again. On the last lap I caught up to a guy who had stopped to walk. When I reached him he started running again and pulled away. However again he stopped to catch his breath/rest and once again only got going when I reached him. This was starting to get annoying and I wish I had the energy to burn him off. Unfortunately it was he who had some matches left unburnt as he squished through the mud to finish with a 20 or 30 metre advantage. I ended up third last, 104th out of 106 finishers. I think that was my second toughest race this year after the Banna 10k. It was a case of 5k effort to reach a marathon pace finish but I guess that's what muddy, hilly XC courses do to you.

    The plan had been to do a 2 mile cool down to get the day's mileage in but I had no inclination to run another step.


    44 miles for the week - down on the 55 miles that was on the plan owing to Monday's bike ride, Tuesday's shortened run etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    No medals? Ye must be celebrating the prior wins too hard.

    Ye're approaching the tail end of the block. Looking good for the marathon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Nice one D on XC, good to read the story of the race. I have never done Munster XC before but I have done the Munster Roads race a few times and like that..bang goes the gun and sudden realisation there might only be a couple of people behind you if anyone at all! That course is proper tough from what I hear of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Haha, that must have been it 😄 Tbh I was a bit annoyed with my run (not that I was expecting to do anything major) but when I looked at the results the whole team suffered. The level had jumped up that bit more. Our coach (who's not known for sugar coating things) commented that the level in the Munsters is pretty much the same as All Ireland level. Lots of clubs there that obviously are well steeped in XC talent.

    I'm happy with the marathon block so far. Touch wood now that it keeps going in the same vein for the remaining few weeks and then it's just a matter of finishing it off. Simple, right?

    One of the Gneeveguilla ladies who has done quite a bit of XC said it was the toughest course she had ever been on. I guess we were a bit spoilt on the Kerry XC course with very little mud and pancake flat!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 13 of 18

    Oct 24th - Oct 30th


    Mon 24th

    8mi Easy. I realised I'd left the watch at home as soon as I got out of the car. This was an opportunity to run naked, untethered to technology and just enjoy running by feel. I got about 50 metres away from the car and buckled when I remembered I could just record on the phone. One day I'll break the link. Not today though. Avg pace of 9.08/mi, avg GAP 8:46/mi and HR not recorded.


    Tue 25th

    3x2mi Strength Intervals - I was back in Tralee today and took the opportunity to do the intervals on the greenway. 

    15:20 was the target time.

    Actual: 15:12, 14:58, 15:07

    There is a bit of rolling terrain on the greenway which facilitates some splits being easier and some a bit tougher. I notice a definite wind effect too and recall a speed interval session from a couple of months back on this block where a 5x1k interval session went awry. It's a bit easier to notice now that the first couple of reps back then were downhill with the wind which made the remaining reps much harder when I turned around. It's pretty tricky to get dead flat road in Kerry! Happy with this session though.


    Wed 26th

    Rest Day. 


    Thu 27th

    9mi Tempo was on the plan but it just lashed from the heavens as I was about to go out. I might still have gone but it was also a very blustery day to attempt a session and I thought better of it. First time I've baulked on a run in this block. So an extra rest day ensued.


    Fri 28th

    9mi Tempo - Drier today but still windy. In retrospect I could have changed directions on the route to get maximum benefit but ultimately was happier with how it transpired. Easily did faster than PMP with the wind at my back but when facing into the wind and/or elevation it was much more of a struggle.

    PMP Target: 7:49

    Tempo Miles: 7:59, 7:25, 7:47, 7:44, 7:26, 7:39, 8:06, 7:37, 7:41 (AVG 7:43)

    I tried Maurten gels for the first time during this run. One caffeine gel before the start and another two on the move. Found them ok in terms of taste and texture - a bit jelly like. I wasn't carrying water but I'd prefer to be able the wash out the after taste. I did feel some discomfort after which I wasn't sure was due to the gels. Testing again later in the week had no negative effects so I'm putting the discomfort down to pushing a bit hard on the first MP mile which was uphill.


    Sat 29th

    8mi Easy - Apparently we've been getting 3 times the amount of average rainfall for this time of year. Which would explain why parts of my planned route were flooded over. Thus I was making changes on the fly. This was a damp but enjoyable run. Avg pace of 8:54/mi, avg GAP of 8:40 and avg HR of 138.


    Sun 30th 

    16mi LSR - This was the second of the 3 16-mile long runs on the plan. I procrastinated a bit and went volunteering at junior parkrun first and then followed the DCM tracker seeing how everyone was going. Eventually I got going to the start point wearing my DCM '19 top for the day that was in it. I wanted to test the Maurten gels again so took a caffeine gel at the start and set an alert on the watch for every 30 minutes. And for the first time I carried a bottle carrier strapped around my waist carrying a 500ml bottle. I must have spent at least 20 minutes in the car still glued to the tracker watching people finish or (inexplicably) not finishing at the predicted time. Some great runs there and some unfortunate injuries. 

    My run did not go well. Compared to the previous 16 miler a couple of weeks ago the avg HR was approx 10 beats higher and I was ready for it to be over from the halfway point. I picked the same 8mile loop for both LSRs and wore the same shoes. I ran out of energy on the last couple of miles and stopped for a short walk on the last mile and didn't get going again. I focused too much perhaps on testing the gels and didn't eat anything that morning before starting the run at noon. I don't know why the HR was higher though. At least the gels didn't appear to have a negative effect although I just took two in addition to the pre-run caffeine one. I'm going to be unpicking this run for a while and hopefully learn something useful to take into the race although I suspect the main issue here was just poor fueling the day before and day of the run. Avg pace 8:46/mi, avg GAP 8:29/mi, avg HR 149.


    57.6 miles for the week - down slightly on the plan due to the missed run.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    Caffeine may have caused the spike in HR. Could also have been dehydration. Go again with the same setup but make sure you get some breakfast and water in beforehand. It may have just been an anomaly. Treviso swears by the Maurten 320 prior to his sessions/long runs so that could be an option too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Thanks M. Could well have been a bit of both alright as I was drinking all around me after that run. The cumulative fatigue may well have finally been taking a bite out of me too. On the same run two weeks prior I'd contemplated extending it to 18 miles and could have done so. Perhaps even 20 but decided not to risk it. This time there was clearly no chance of either of those options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 14 of 18

    Oct 31st - Nov 6th


    Mon 31st

    6mi Easy. Did a loop with a good bit of initial elevation that is slightly longer than 6 miles and finishes with another bit of elevation. Whether I stop the watch/run dead on 6 miles or complete the extra bit is a good indication of how tired I am. Finished out the loop without issue so no after effects from yesterday's run. Avg pace of 8.53/mi, avg GAP 8:26/mi and HR 139.


    Tue 1st

    Strength Intervals day - I picked out a new road to do this selected on the basis that it was flat enough and long enough. I also thought it was a quiet road. However when I began the run the road had a camber and seemed busier than I would like. To add to that it was very breezy to the point that the weather would very much impact the session. So I postponed the run to the following day.


    Wed 2nd

    2x3mi Strength Intervals - yellow weather warning put paid to any outdoor running (imo it was probably closer to an orange warning with the wind/rain/sea swell). Thus, for the first time in years, I took to a treadmill. I'm sure I've never done intervals or speedwork on a treadmill before. I set the speed on the treadmill to the appropriate pace for the intervals but who knows how accurate it was. The paces on the watch were almost certainly wrong as I felt I was going quite a bit faster than normal. I nearly fell off the thing a couple of times when concentration wandered. I was covered in sweat at the end and looked (no exaggeration) like I'd stepped in the shower with my gear on. As this was the toughest of the strength intervals I did want to see if I'd done it "right". Hard to know really.


    Thu 3rd

    I brought forward one of the ten mile easy runs. This felt quite comfortable. Probably a little faster than prescribed pace but all well within zone 2. Avg pace of 8.34/mi, avg GAP 8:15/mi and HR 140.


    Fri 4th

    9mi Tempo - Last of the 9 mile tempos before the plan moves on to the final three 10 mile tempos. Used the same route as last week but this time without the wind and bits of rain. Practiced the gels again although this time with a swig of water to wash them down. All went smoothly.

    PMP Target: 7:49

    Tempo Miles: 7:52, 7:18, 7:47, 7:32, 7:40, 7:33, 7:46, 7:46, 7:47 (AVG 7:41) 

    Happy enough with that. I don't think I'll move my PMP and the plan would be to stick more closely to 7:49 during the race and see what's there somewhere after 20 miles if things are going ok. I'd rather feel I've a bit of a buffer than push everything to the edge. It's easy to lose ten minutes while trying to gain five.


    Sat 5th

    6mi Easy - Did this as a warmup, parkrun, cooldown. I think I got about halfway through parkrun before ramping up the effort. I had considered giving the parkrun a hard effort "to see where I'm at" but decided against. My watch was sufficiently impressed with my efforts to award me another vO2 max point and predict that I can run a sub 2.50 marathon 😆 😆


    Sun 6th

    10mi Easy - Hanson's promises to train you to run on tired legs and this run was where it felt like exactly that. The body was tired, the legs were tired but they were still prepared to go and keep going. I guess I'm doing well to get to week 14 before the cumulative fatigue is becoming more noticeable but still this run is somewhat confidence inspiring that at least that part of the plan definitely seems to be working. Part of my route was flooded but I congratulated myself on discovering a diversion via a horse trail. However my self-congratulation did not last long as this path turned into a mudfest which caked my shoes. Another week completed and still not injured! Avg pace 8:43/mi, avg GAP 8:33, HR 140.


    Just over 58 miles for the week.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 15 of 18

    Nov 7th - Nov 13th


    Mon 7th

    8mi Easy. Lots of wind and rain today and for a while there I didn't think I'd get out at all but it cleared for a while and I grabbed my gear. I got almost to 4 mile before the steady rain returned. Got saturated but not as bad when you at least start dry. Felt a bit tired though. Don't think I'd have fancied having to pick up the pace. Avg pace of 9:25/mi, GAP 8:53/mi and avg HR of 137.


    Tue 8th

    Unintentional rest day. Couldn't get out so just took it a rest day and moved the interval session forward.


    Wed 9th

    Strength Intervals - 3x (2mi at PMP -10, with 0.5mi recovery)

    Got out quite late to do these so headtorch running. Luckily the paths had been cleared of fallen leaves and other debris and it was dry and calm which made this a good bit more manageable than expected. Nobody else mad enough to be out in the dark so I had the paths to myself too. Happy days.

    Target time was 15:20

    Reps: 15:15, 15:05, 15:02

    Reasonably ok with that although probably should have taken it a wee bit cooler.


    Thu 10th

    Moving the days forward necessitated moving an easy day between the two sessions so I brought forward the 8 miler. It was after dark getting out for this again and some of it was through town. Got a shout out of "Run, Forrest, Run!" from a passing car and was undecided if this was an insult or not. They promptly pulled into the shop/garage so I could have let the air out of their tyres if it was meant as a jibe. 😃 

    Handy enough run although another damp one. Avg pace worked out as 8:37/mi, GAP 8:22/mi and avg HR 137. 

     

    Fri 11th

    10mi Tempo - Another after dark run yet again. I wasn't sure if it was possible to run a tempo session around town and turns out it was not a good idea. Also leaving it till 9pm is not to be recommended either. Other issues included stepping up/down from paths and getting jarred when you miss a downstep 'cos you're checking your watch, dealing with dark patches on the route and excessive elevation. The need for a loo stop then threw me and the session was over. What was meant to be a 14 mile run tapped out at 7.5 mile. Better than nothing but not great.

    PMP Target: 7:49

    Tempo Miles: 7:44, 7:40, 7:54, 8:27, 8:39..........


    Sat 12th

    7mi Easy - A pleasant enough run on flat terrain. Didn't try to catch up on any missing mileage from the previous day's shortened run. Kept it all relaxed an uneventful on a dry and mild run. Avg pace 8:50/mi, avg GAP 8:40/mi, avg HR 137


    Sun 13th

    16mi Long - The third and last of the 16 milers on the plan. The last 16 miler had turned into a bit of **** show two weeks ago so I made sure I was better fueled in advance of this one. I also took on 4 gels, one caffeine one to start and then one every 4 miles approx. The gels don't give me any noticeable boost after taking them and the fourth was pushed down. I'd say another couple of gels might be a struggle on race day. Still a relatively comfortable run (aside from the toenail bashing vaporflys)at a somewhat faster than prescribed pace. We're on the downhill slope of the plan now! Avg pace 8:13/mi, Avg GAP 7:57/mi, avg HR 143


    Just over 59 miles for the week.


    Less than 3 weeks to race day. It's starting to get real. 🙈



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 16 of 18

    Nov 14th - Nov 20th

    This week things were a bit all over the shop for me. The runs got done but not necessarily as they were on the schedule and sometimes at silly o'clock. I kept it to the the easy - session - easy structure though which was a bit easier now that there are only two sessions in the week.


    Mon 14th

    The Monday easy six miler got canned because the weather did not cooperate. Unintended rest day. Not a good start to the week.


    Tue 15th

    6mi Easy with a bit of elevation. I don't remember much about this so it must have been uneventful. 9.09/mile avg pace, 8:41 avg GAP and 136 avg HR. 


    Wed 16th

    Strength Intervals. 4x 1.5mi with 0.5mi recovery

    While on the warmup for this I doubled back to use the loo (paused the watch). Somehow this lead to a glitch where the first mile (of the warmup) got recorded as approx a 6 min mile. This would not be the only watch glitch this week.

    Target Interval time was 11:30

    Reps: 11:25, 11:17, 11:19, 11:30

    I was struggling a bit to hold the pace on the last rep even though that section of the route had a bit of downhill. Just managed to keep it from going over target. I'd usually do a 2 mile cool down but cut it at one as I was fairly knackered by then and it was dark and miserable.


    Thu 17th

    6mi Easy. Took the same route as on Tuesday trying to time it to dodge the frequent showers. Got caught with a fairly nasty one at the 4 mile mark and was glad I had the full hat, snood, gloves combo on. We've been relatively lucky so far that even when wet it's relatively mild but now the cold has arrived as well. 9:04/mi avg pace, 8:30/mi GAP, 136 avg HR 

     

    Fri 18th

    10mi Easy. It was after 10pm before I got out to do this. Head torch time! Anyhow got it done and it wasn't that bad and thankfully dry albeit foggy. A follow on though is that it's hard to get to sleep when you run that late. I think it took until after 2am to nod off. 8:48/mi avg pace, 8:35 avg GAP, 139 avg HR


    Sat 19th

    10 mi Tempo. Because of the way the week was going I decided to push the Tempo run to Saturday. The morning was spent volunteering at parkrun where the volunteers got saturated in the miserable weather. I was expecting something a bit similar when I got out in the late afternoon but it was mostly fine. From the start the legs felt quiet tired which I thought was a bit ominious. But then I thought to treat it like the last 10 miles of the marathon where the legs would feel pretty tired anyway. I had two gels with me and took the first 4 miles in and then completely forgot about the second one.

    PMP Target: 7:49

    Tempo miles: 7:36, 7:48, 7:33, 7:42, 7:44, 7:37, 7:26, 7:36, 7:38, 7:28

    This was an encouraging run and I tried pushing harder for the last few miles. I'd be delighted if I could finish strong in the actual marathon and this run gives me a bit of confidence that perhaps it might be possible.


    Sun 20th

    10mi Easy. Took a route around Muckross lake with a bit of elevation. With so much rain lately I wondered if the route might be blocked with flooding but it was clear. I kept the pace easy but for the second time in a week my watch glitched and recorded me doing a mile in 14 seconds! Avg pace was roughly 9:00/mi with HR of 137 avg.

    Two weeks to go and looking forward to the all-too-brief taper.

    About 57 miles for the week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Edit - post was based on poor analysis of data - deleted!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    @Murph_D

    No worries. It's good to get challenged on the training to re-evaluate and especially to test my own assumptions.

    There's bound to be something that I'll see in hindsight that was probably obvious. I just don't know right now what that might be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    I assume from that comment that you maybe saw my original post, but I genuinely deleted it when I read back over your recent training and had a better idea of where you were coming from. Your race target seems very reasonable and you have been doing more cross country racing than I'd thought, so that probably explains some of the occasional difficulties you've had with the odd session - but under the circumstances they are not overwhelming difficulties and your tempos especially have been very solid (if occasionally a tiny bit aggressive) so you're probably, on balance, on track.

    I notice you started logging in the middle of the block and didn't give much context. What's the race? I assume it's not Clonakilty, as I think that's the week before. Valencia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    What's the race? I assume it's not Clonakilty, as I think that's the week before. Valencia?

    It's Valencia alright on 4th December.

    Yes, the pace on the intervals and tempos are/were a bit hot mostly 'cos I'm not very good at even pacing and latterly as I figured I'd probably have to run overall a little faster than PMP as I most likely won't be running the shortest possible route. For the most part they've felt alright.

    The current, tentative plan, is to run the first 3 miles at about 20s slower than PMP to settle in and avoid rushing out too fast, make up that lost time gradually over the following 20 while staying close to PMP, and then see what's possible in the last 3 miles. Avoiding bonking and keeping the head in the game will determine if that works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 17 of 18

    Nov 21st - Nov 27th

    Mon 21st 

    8mi Easy. Got this done at lunchtime on the loop I've probably used the most on this marathon block. All grand, no drama. 8:51 avg, 8:38 GAP and avg HR of 137.


    Tue 22nd 

    Strength Intervals. 6x 1mi with 0.25mi recovery.

    Target time was 7:40

    Reps: 7:37, 7:37, 7:37, 7:37, 7:35, 7:33

    I was trying not to be too aggressive on the reps and the first 4 came in reasonably close to target with the last two a bit hotter. All in all a fairly comfortable run and one of the easier strength sessions to finish off on.


    Wed 23rd

    Rest Day.


    Thu 24th

    Today should have been the final 10 mile tempo but with wind and rain and hail showers seemingly every 20 minutes this was not going to work out. I subbed in the 7 mile easy on the treadmill instead and put the tempo off to the following day which had a much better forecast. Even on easy pace the treadmill is just not enjoyable. Avg pace of 8:41/mi (even you can believe the watch which measured the 7 miles as 7.60 miles) Avg HR of 138

     

    Fri 25th

    10 mile Tempo

    Target PMP - 7:49

    Reps: 8:02, 7:17, 7:34, 7:31, 7:48, 7:42, 7:45, 7:38, 8:01, 7:46 (Avg 7:43)

    While the weather was much more favourable (drier) than the previous day it was still very breezy. I had the full benefit of the breeze on some of the miles and it was in my face for others. The first mile was uphill with the elevation reclaimed on the second mile. The course was a bit lumpy with some of the miles on the uphill gradient into the wind. Left the gels and supershoes at home for this one.


    Sat 26th 

    8mi Easy. So all easy runs left therefore this is the taper? I took a route that I knew might have a risk of being flooded. I just didn't realise how flooded it was. I decided to go through the first flooded section instead of turning back. If I'd known there was another 5 or 6 sections under water (about 2 feet deep) I might just have retraced my steps. The walking and the bit of heaviness in my legs from the previous day's tempo slowed me down. 10:04/mi, avg GAP 9:29/mi, Avg HR 135


    Sun 27th

    8mi Easy. Another easy 8 miler on a loop with a bit of elevation. Tried out my new Shokz Openrun headphones on this run (Black Friday!). The sound has improved but the safety seems to have disimproved as I was surprised by two cars that I didn't hear approaching. Guess I'd better lower the volume. Managed to avoid the worst of the showers to round out the week. 9:15/mi, avg GAP 8:44/mi, Avg HR of 141 (using wrist based sensor as my HRM seems to have gone awol)


    Just shy of 58 miles for the week.

    One week left to go!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hanson's Marathon Method - Week 18 of 18

    Nov 28th - December 3rd


    Mon 28th

    6mi Easy. Looking forward to a week of all easy stuff. Chugged around on this one and near the start spotted a small lady with white hair with her Alsatian on a leash. The Alsatian was eyeing me up with his muzzle hanging loosely and sure enough made a lunge as I went past. I'm nearly sure I passed these two last week where he tried the same thing. One day she won't hold him back. 8:41/mi avg, 8:30 GAP and avg HR of 135.


    Tue 29th

    5mi Easy. A bit chillier today. Added a small bit of elevation to the route. Planned route was blocked as paths were being re-done. It makes a change from having the paths blocked by floods anyway.  8:58/mi avg, 8:30 GAP and avg HR of 136.


    Wed 30th

    Rest Day.


    Thu 1st

    6mi Easy. I wasn't sure if I'd get out today as I was travelling and it would be dark when I arrived in Valencia. However the local park was nicely lit up with a running path with guiding uplights and illuminated km markers. I followed a local who looked like he knew where he was going. I knew he was local as he was dressed as if it was freezing out. He probably knew I was not a local as I was in t-shirt and shorts. I went a little further than necessary to explore the route and it looked great in the twilight and lights so ended up with nearly 7.5 miles. Lots of runners out and small groups doing dance to music - something like a Spanish line dancing but not as kitsch. Lots of starting and stopping and feeling a bit sluggish. 9.25/mi, 9:19 GAP, avg HR 137

     

    Fri 2nd

    6mi Easy. Popped into the expo in the morning to get my bib and goody bag. Bought probably a bit too much. Got back in the afternoon for the penultimate run of the plan with an easy 6miler in the park. 8:59/mi, GAP 8:49/mi and avg HR of 136. 


    Sat 3rd

    3mi Easy. So the final run of the plan before the marathon with an easy 3 miles. Found a different route in a neighbouring park and followed a gravel path west which seemed to be mostly used by gravel bikers. Didn't bring my phone with me but figured I couldn't get far lost by going out 1.5 miles and then turning back. Took things deliberately easy. Got passed out by a massive group of runners - almost seemed like a race was going on. 9:30/mi, avg GAP 9:20/mi, Avg HR 129


    Next -> Valencia Marathon Race Report



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Race Report - Valencia Marathon

    Target: 3.24:59 or less 

    Result: 3.31:48 


    Pre-Race

    I left my accommodation at about 7am for an 8:45am start. I'd checked the route the day before and it wasn't that long and took two metro lines with about 6 stops in total. However it seemed the metro was operating at a probably normal Sunday morning schedule with long waits for trains. Judging by the way staff were taking phone snaps of the large crowd waiting on the platform at the second metro they seemed surprised that there was loads of people using the most logical route to the start point. I wasn't too bothered as I figured it's chip timed so if I'm late it's not going to make a huge difference. Finding the lockers/bag drop and starting pen was a little confusing and could have benefited with more signage but the volunteers were helpful, friendly and calm so got there in the end with a bit to spare. 

    Race start

    There wasn't really that long to wait in the pen. I'd got some dynamic stretches in before joining the pen and was probably somewhere in the middle. Before too long the front rows were moving and not long after that we were over the mats and the race was on. I was in the sub 3:46 pen based on my previous marathon time of 3:48. I could have pushed for the sub 3:31 pen based on HM times but figured there was no need as I wasn't using the pacers anyway and the roads looked pretty wide. Unfortunately the roads were packed with runners and I could not get up to my planned pace. Anytime I tried to cut through and get up to pace I was just getting blocked by another group. I'd planned a slower pace for the first 3 miles but planned to hit the 3 mile mark at 24:29. Instead it came in at 25:15 and I was nearly a minute down already. Not the best start. 

    After 3 miles I caught sight of pacers ahead. I thought briefly that they might be the 3:30 pacers but in fact they were the 3:45 pacers. I went past and tried not to think of the amount of time I needed to put in to them to hit my goal. At least now the road was opening up a bit and there was more space to get up to pace. The next two miles came in at 5 and 10 seconds slower than planned pace. I was feeling sluggish. I tried to push on slightly and got back on very slightly faster than pace in the next two miles. It was far too early to try to reclaim lost time by pushing hard but on mile 8 I had to stop for a pee. This seemed to take forever and cost me another 48 seconds. It was also the first time I'd ever had to stop like that in a race. This was not going to plan and I was leaving myself a lot to catch up on if I was going to get my goal time.

    I should probably mention that I'd decided to use the Maurten 320 drink for this race. However I hadn't tested it in training. I had tested the gels and they seemed to work ok. At least they didn't seem to cause an issue. At the expo Maurten had a stand and a diagram for their suggested use of the product which involved taking one drink the day before and another 3 hours before the start of the race:


    Each drink is 500ml. I'd also taken 200ml of dioralyte the morning of the race. This imo explained my need to stop at mile 8. However there was also another issue - my stomach wasn't happy. It wasn't in seriously bad shape - just uncomfortable. I'd been taken the gels every 4 miles. I took another at 8 miles just before the pit stop and miles 9 to 12 were about my best miles on the race very close to or under planned race pace. I was feeling better and the pace reflected that. At mile 12 I took another gel and my stomach let me know it didn't really like it. It was back to feeling uncomfortable again and I decided not to risk any more gels.

    Miles 13-20

    These more or less averaged out on pace - gaining a few seconds on some miles but losing a few on others. All through the race I just watched the lap screen and ran the current mile. On my lap screen I had lap distance, lap time, lap pace and number of laps completed. I mainly just looked at lap pace and noted the lap time at the end of each lap. While I wasn't doing mental maths I knew I hadn't made up anything near sufficient time to offset the time lost earlier on. My plan had been to stay steady until mile 23 and try to push on from there but now I was thinking I should try going earlier. Except I knew I couldn't as I was starting to tire and even holding on to current pace would be a challenge. At mile 20 a runner stopped to walk in front of me. His tshirt said Run '19 and this seemed appropriate. I fixated on another runner's tshirt which said "Don't think. Run!". That seemed like pretty sound advice.

    Miles 21 to finish.

    Instead of pushing harder after mile 20 I started going backwards losing 10 seconds off pace and then 20. Hitting mile 23 I knew I had to take another pit stop and again it seemed to take forever. Another minute down. Back into the race and I was into the last few miles. The legs didn't respond to any requests to pick up the pace except that I wasn't losing as many seconds as previously. The last 0.6 of a mile into the finish was back on pace. 

    While I had displays set up on the watch for heart rate and overall distance and pace I never looked at them during the race so it was only at the end that I saw my time.

    I knew I wouldn't get the goal time but was disappointed not to break 3:30 and was feeling very "meh" trotting through to collect the medal and post race goodies. It was that feeling of taking an exam you thought you'd prepared well for except to get questions that didn't suit you. These though were self-inflicted issues that could well have been avoided. 

    When I got over my sulking 😄 and sat down a few days later to look through the race there was a lot of positives to pull from it. Take out the pit stops and I'm easily sub 3:30. Take out the stomach discomfort and there's probably another couple of minutes clawed back. The marathon beast has not been tamed yet and once again I've a result where I should have done better but there's a few more lessons learned on what to do and what not to do. And there's a lot that worked well on the day. In terms of running gear the vest top and club shorts both worked well, the decathlon flip belt was a disaster as I was spinning it around like a hula hoop trying to find an opening to take gels from, the 250ml decathlon flask worked well and the sunglasses were comfortable and did a good job. One thing that surprised me was how non-sweaty I was at the end. I'm usually a soggy mess after an hour running at home but running at the lower relative humidity in Spain was a different experience. In all the weather conditions were perfect. The only time I felt it warm was when we were tightly cramped at the start. The course was also really flat and ideal for consistent miles. It took until after half way for the HR to get out of zone 2 and it only got above the high 150s towards the end.

    It's back to the drawing board with regards to nutrition though both in terms of what to use and how to properly test it. But that's for another day.

    I enjoyed a few beers and some grub with @corcaigh07 and @Itziger and some others we got talking to. Good craic there. My stomach finally returned back to normal the following day while waiting for the plane home. 😶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Congrats on the PB. Seems like a tough day out but not a bad outcome at all considering so much went wrong. It seems there's plenty easy gains to be made with a bit better race-day preparation?

    I think you've done a Hanson plan a few times now, be it here or for a HM previously? I wondered if you'd any thoughts on how this block went? That "taper" would scare the life out of me tbh! Also wondered about the XC races - seemed a lot of extra "work" to be adding to any marathon block, nevermind one as regimented as Hanson.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    Great report @DeepBlue and well done again on the PB. The target you had in mind will fall soon enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Wottle


    Super job, win or learn!

    Definitely one of the more congested starts for sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Excellent report there D. Well done on getting a fine pb on a tough day it reads. Can definitely see you going sub 3:30 on another outing.

    How come the change in strategy around the gels/nutrition? I think that certainly had a big effect here on your stomach issues on the day which is a real pity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Thanks A. 

    I'd say there's gains to be made alright with a happy stomach while running and proper fueling. There's probably even easier gains to be made by getting diet on point. I was about a half stone heavier on this marathon compared to DCM '19 and that cliché that you can't outrun a bad diet is definitely true.

    Yes, I did the half marathon block previous to this for Cork and then did the full version for Valencia. I think it was an advantage to do the Half version first (even if I mangled the end of that block) and get used to that system as intervals were new for me and took a bit of trial and error to figure out how to do them correctly. The paces are also tougher for the half version so the full one seems a bit easier in comparison.

    I found the plan tough but manageable. While it didn't work for me on the day I imagine that if everything had gone well I'd have been a lot closer on the day. Still don't think I'd have made the target though. There's still some secret sauce missing to get the marathon time to align with that suggested by my half and 10 mile times.

    Since the plan is pace based a relatively flat course is needed for the speed, strength, tempo and long runs. Also you'd need a good two hour window on Tuesdays and Thursdays for the intervals and tempo which is not always the easiest to manage. 

    The plan does seem to pass by quickly as each week seems like a test to pass - will I hit the paces for the intervals? Can I keep the pace up for the tempos? It doesn't really get dull. 

    It's quite rigid so not much scope for switching things about like you occasionally have to for weather and life. 

    While I wouldn't entirely rule out using it again I think I'll use a plan with more long runs next time (to trial fueling better) along with speed sessions and marathon paced runs.

    I don't think the XC racing made any difference. The races were relatively short (longest was 6 miles) and I had no negative impact.

    The taper was useless imho. I don't think I got any benefit from it. If it was supposed to leave you refreshed and more energised for the start of the race it failed. If anything the easy runs on the taper felt quite sluggish even at quite an easy pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Thanks D.

    Regarding the stomach issues - the best analogy I can give is to compare it to car sickness. If you break car sickness down into three stages:

    Stage 1 - your stomach starts giving you signals that it's feeling "off"

    Stage 2 - those signals grow, get worse and you're at the pre-nausea stage

    Stage 3 - you're throwing up

    My issue was in the stage 1 phase - mild enough but a bit of anxiety that it might get worse. Thankfully it did not but I still think it has an impact on RPE and how much energy you have available to throw into the race.

    The plan had been to use the Maurten but it had been developed late in the training cycle. I'd done almost all of my runs all year unfueled including the half marathon. I'd ordered the gels and tried them out but delayed on the drinks as I wasn't sure which were best - 320 or 160. I gambled a bit on the drinks and it didn't pay off. Tbh because the long runs are relatively short in Hansens I'm not entirely sure I would have caught the issue but there isn't an excuse really for not, at least, trying the stuff first before race day.

    Now, looking again at the instruction pic I posted in the report, it seems that the pre-race drink is more for sipping over the 3 hours pre race rather than forcing it down in one go like I did. 🙈

    Live and learn.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    The secret sauce....3 years of aerobic running! There are very few, if any, who convert 5k and 10k times to match what race predictors say is possible. Why? Because possible assumes an equal level of preparedness for the distance. This takes time. Relax, build the easy running and mileage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    The advantage of doing very little running is that it's pretty easy to update the log. 

    I took almost two weeks off after Valencia and, perhaps naively, expected the legs to be back to normal by then. Not so.


    December 5th - 11th

    Off. No running. No of anything.


    December 12th - 18th

    Sat 17th

    5.2mi 8.36/mi, HR 148 avg

    First run back after the marathon. Had no particular plan other than to let the legs do what they felt like doing. Thus pace was a little faster than easy. I was surprised by how much fatigue was still in the legs - primarily in the quads. I rarely use the foam roller (mine is more of a rolling pin type thing) so gave them a going over after. Plenty of tender spots still there.

    December 19th - 25th

    Mon 19th

    6.2 mi 8:25/mi, HR 151 avg

    Another run where I wasn't running to pace or HR - just letting it settle on what felt comfortable. The legs felt a good bit better than the previous Friday. I was also starting to come down with some bug.

    The bug mostly consisted of coughing, scratchy throat and copious nose-blowing but otherwise fine. It did put paid to running for the rest of the week and most of the following week.

     

    December 26th - 31st

    Fri 30th

    3mi 8.18/mi, HR 155 avg

    The bug has mostly cleared so I ventured out. Very breezy headwind for the first section of this run but it was then at my back for most of the middle section. I've left the HR monitor at home for the post marathon training runs so not sure how accurate the HR readings are. That went reasonably well so I reckon I'm ok to get back out.


    Fri 31st

    3.1mi 7:12/mi, HR 168 avg

    I haven't run parkrun in a while. I went out far too fast in the first km and paid for it in the remaining 4k. I've got out of the habit of committing to a parkrun as it's "just a parkrun". I'd like to get back into the habit of attacking these on a more regular basis and start threatening the PB which is getting a bit long in the tooth at this stage. Well off that pace at the moment though.


    May as well finish off the week even if it's technically a new year ...........


    Sat 1st January 2023

    3.1mi 8:07/mi, HR 157 avg

    Inch Beach parkrun. I was going to be the VI guide for a local runner at a race later in the day and as he is stone mad for running I asked if he'd like to do the NYD parkrun also. He was up for it. The plan was to take the parkrun easy and save our effort for the race later on. That plan got shot to hell in the first half km. We had shot off a bit too fast but settled into 5 minute kms or thereabouts and mostly kept that going until near the end. Still ended with R knocking over 1 and a half minutes off his PB at Inch so first job done.


    3.1mi 8:03/mi, HR 164 avg

    Beaufort 5k. This race kicked off at 12 so we had a bit of time to recover. Both the 5k and 10k races started at the same time before diverging after 1.5k or so. We took off at a more sensible pace this time and managed to more or less maintain that throughout while again flagging slightly before the end. There was a bit more undulation on this course compared to the pan flat parkrun. We chipped a few seconds off our times from the parkrun and R got another new PB for this race and picked up his prize for visually impaired runner.


    Some notes on the year just gone:

    I finished the year with 1730 miles done, up from less than 650 the previous year and a substantial increase even on the 2020 and 2019 where I'd just trickled over the 1,000 mile each time.

    The vast bulk of the 1730 miles was taken up with training blocks for the Cork Half Marathon (532 miles) and Valencia Marathon (967 miles) both using Hanson Plans.

    In total I ran 18 races:

    1 Marathon (Valencia - PB 3:31:48)

    3 Half Marathons (Cork - 4 seconds slower than PB, Dingle x2 (not racing))

    4 10 Milers (Dungarvan, Mallow (PB 1:13:16), Cobh 10, Cork City 10 Miler)

    2 10k (Adare (PB), Banna (PB))

    2 5k (Kerry Roads Championship, PWC BHAA 5k (2 seconds off PB)

    4 Cross Country (County Novices, County Masters, County Senior, Munster Novices)

    1 Trail Race - Torc IMRA 8k

    1 Track Race - Kerry Masters 3000m

    Overall I had PBs at 10k, 10 mile and marathon and was very close to PB times in the 5k and half marathon. After the latter half of 2021 being blighted by an Achilles tendon injury that showed no signs of improving I would not have predicted that kind of year. There were also a number of firsts for me this year - first time representing the club, first time doing a track race and first time doing Cross Country.

    As for 2023 - I won't predict anything but I hope to run less and get back cycling more as that got sacrificed for marathon training. I may try experimenting to see if I can substitute some easy runs with cycling and see how that works out. The current plan though is to start the year with base building and then tackle a 5k block and see where we go from there. The next tentative plan for the marathon is a 2024 Spring attempt but I can see myself getting lured into returning to Valencia since a couple of friends have registered so who knows. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Another week where the log is easy to update due to very little running. 😳 Twice this week I was heading out the door with all the gear on only to be stopped in my tracks by the heavens opening.

    2nd Jan - 8th Jan

    Tues 4th

    7.1k 6.26/km, HR 133 avg

    Oh yeah, I've changed from miles to kms as one of my New Year's Resolutions. We'll see how long that lasts. This was just a 45 min very easy run. It was strange at first to run so slowly but I was surprised at how quickly I got used to it. Disappointed to see the paths in the park flooded over again as it cuts off so many routes and doing the same non-flooded sections time and again gets boring.

    Saturday 7th

    5k, 4.26/km, HR 169 avg

    After a 2.5k warmup it was time for another parkrun. I was gagging to do a hard 5k in the final weeks of marathon training but resisted as it was "off plan" and why risk it. I'm sorry now I didn't as I'd have a benchmark to check against. There has been no marathon bounce to my 5k times from this marathon block unlike last time when I was setting PBs for the distance. Maybe the bug I picked up over Xmas is to blame. Anyhow the target was 21:45 after last week's 22:02. I set the target on the "Peter's Race pacer" widget from the Garmin IQ store which I'm hoping might work as a poor man's Pace Pro which my watch doesn't have. In reality when I'm running at 5k pace I don't have enough spare energy to scrutinise the watch but it does have a field showing how far ahead or behind pace you are. More importantly they're colour coded so blue is good and red is bad. The colour is enough for me. (Actually I think I'll try the hi-viz version which has less fields and ahead/behind is more visible)

    I prefer to use real pacers though and another parkrunner A was a good option. On a good day for both of us I'd say she'd be about 15 seconds ahead so if I could stay within touching distance I should do ok. She shot out of the traps at the start while I tried to take the first km easy. However I was almost level at the end of the first km and passed her out. She remained just behind however and I expected her to pull through but she stayed there for the first and second lap. This kept me honest with the effort but on the third lap she made the move I was expecting and pulled through and made about 35 seconds on me on the final lap. I think perhaps I could have pushed slightly more although my HR was telling me I was at my limit finishing in 21:50 but it was good to feel like I was semi-racing. If I continue to cut off 10s or so per week and get down to the low 21.xx I can try and start targeting my parkrun PB.

    I've the Tom Kelly 8k in Ardfert coming up next Sunday. Tinman says I should be able for sub 36 so we'll see if the race buzz on the day brings out an effort.

    After doing the Cork City Half for the last few times I signed up for the Limerick Half at the end of April for a change. Kinda surprised at the cost of 65 euro though - that seemed a bit pricey. Last year's races were mainly run on half marathon and marathon training but the current plan is to concentrate on 5k and 10k training (after I first finish start base training).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Ashamed to say I'm only catching up on the Valencia report. Sorry it didn't go to plan. You seem to have identified several issues that I'd agree with, but ultimately any race where you're not feeling good in the first quarter is going to be a struggle, I think - you referred to a slow start which I personally wouldn't have worried about, but the struggle to pick up the pace from mile three was a bit of a red flag. Ultimately skyblue's advice there is the thing that will make the most difference, I think. It's still a good marathon result though and well done on the PB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Another not so hectic week on the mileage front. The seemingly incessant rain easily dissuaded me from venturing out but didn't seem to knock a feather out of those I follow on Strava - a hardy bunch, no doubt! However I did get a few more kms in than last week so at least it's going in the right direction.

    9th - 15th Jan

    Thur 12th

    3.9k at a very leisurely 7:57/km. It wasn't until Thursday that I ventured out to give a hand at the Club C25K. In truth this was simply a few warmup and cooldown drills interspersed with a lot of walking and chatting broken up by a few brief runs. Not really sure it ought to be part of my claimed weekly mileage but I'll take anything I can get atm.

    Fri 13th

    3.4k. Looking at my training log I see I was last at club training last September when marathon training sessions got too long to fit into the hour. Good to be back. 5x 400m with 2min standing recoveries was on the menu followed by a 1k cool down. Averaged 1:32 for the 400's. Fiddling around with the tinman calculator I figured this equates to 19:30 5k pace. That means nothing of course but we have to draw confidence/motivation from somewhere. 

    Sat 14th

    7.6k at 6.23/km. This was a very easy 45 minute trot around the park. I went slightly above pace for very easy but at least the rain held off and only came down after I was back in the car.

    Sun 15th

    Race Report - Tom Kelly 8k - 36:23 "Chip Time"

    I hadn't slept well on the Friday or Saturday night so when I woke on Sunday morning after not hearing the alarm I thought at first that I had woken too late and would not have time to get to the start. I was disappointed relieved to see that I actually still had plenty of time and no valid excuse to stay in bed.

    It was my first time running this race and despite getting a very detailed pre-race guide from the organisers I had only skimmed through it but did note that most of the climbing was towards the end of the race. Bib collection was quick and easy and had a quick catchup with @diego_b from this parish. For once I did a number of proper warmup drills and got some pre-race kms to warm up and stay warm. Conditions were a bit chilly with quite a strong breeze. A quick chat with my nemesis R at the start line who, unfortunately, has regained most of his form lately and thus I was unlikely to trouble him in this race.

    The run briefing informs us that the wind will be in our favour for the first 5k and then we just need to survive for the remaining 3 and with that we're off on a sharp downhill start. R take off and I'm temporarily blocked behind a VI guided runner which allows R to get about 10 metres or so on me. By the time we turn through the first bend into the downhill section proper he's extended that lead. I wasn't likely to stay with him for much but I was hoping for a bit longer than that.

    With the downhill the first km comes in at 4:07. The course flattens out and I try and keep things steady. Kms 2 and 3 come in at 4:24 each with the 4th km a slightly slower 4:28. At this stage I'm already thinking a taking a breather in the next km and perhaps then pushing on the final 3k. At this point S passed me and he's clearly paced it well. He tells me afterwards that he slowed down slightly to allow me to get on the train but I didn't realise. He'd be at least a minute faster than me on the 5k so probably unlikely I would have kept up with him anyhow. Kms 5 and 6 have the elevation and I slow down here to 4:43 and 4:52. In hindsight the elevation was not that bad and seemed worse on the graph. We turn right for the final section and I can see S has pulled well ahead. I spot a St Brendan's runner who I'd finished ahead of at last summer's Banna 10k and try and target him. However the gap is too great even if it's narrowing there is not enough distance left to favour me. There's a nice downhill to the finish line which is hidden behind a final turn and we're done. I was happy with that. Kms 7 and 8 had come in at 4:37 and 4:30 to give a finish time of 36:23. A good day out on a good course and a nice bit of work done for the morning. St Brendan's AC always seem to manage the weather well as the hail shower only came in after I'd finished and could nip under some shelter. I don't think I've ran an 8k previously so that will have to be a new PB :)


    So about 28k in total for the week but I feel the running mojo coming back a bit and hopefully I can start increasing that to something respectable in the coming weeks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Well done on your race there D and you did indeed get lucky with the weather. I would have liked to have caught up with you further but as you'll see on my log I was slightly busy and distracted. Glad you enjoyed the course, it's a fair course and people seem to enjoy it. I always enjoy meeting R there at races, he always tells me about how little training he's doing and yet to me appears to always smash it out of the park no matter the distance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Jan 16th - 22nd

    Mon 16th

    Rest Day.

    Tue 17th

    45min Very Easy. Chilly but dry and nice running conditions with blue skies and a bit of sun. I took a bit of a hilly route for this and slowed down the pace but not as much as I should have as avg HR came in at 141bpm and and about 13% of the run brought the HR into zone 3 which is not what you want when the run is supposed to be very easy. I noticed that I could see Skellig Micheal from a high point on this run. I probably only realised because I was wearing sunglasses and when I took those off there was too much glare to see. Always nice to spot something new about an area you've lived in for decades. 7.3km in total.

    Wed 18th

    Rest day

    Thu 19th (Afternoon)

    60min Progression. I can't remember the last time I did one of these. Each time the watch would beep I'd get a rush of blood to the head and put in an accelation that was too much and have my watch beeping madly at me until I calmed down again. It's quite tricky to judge how much to speed up when you're only going faster by 10s/km.

    I enjoyed that even if I started too fast and was quite jerky with my accelerations. 10.9k for the run with avg HR of 144. 

    Thu 19th (Evening)

    Assisting with the Club C25K. I got my times mixed up and arrived an hour early for this. It was pretty cold. Not as bad as earlier in the week but still quite nippy with the snow having been brushed off the track but the track was still a bit slippy in places. I gave a hand with the juvenile training to keep warm. I met one of my fellow XC teammates who was there with his kid and who suggested we do long runs together. I normally run alone so this could be a nice option to shorten the long runs with company. And then it was time for the adult C25K group. Even with gloves on my hands were frozen although they finally warmed up on the last walk/run rep. 4.68k at 7.14/km and avg hr of 136.

    Fri 20th (Morning)

    45min Moderate. I'd texted a friend of mine if she wanted to meet up for a run on Friday morning as I was free. She runs her easy runs a little faster than me so even though over 90% of the run was still zone 2 it had crept into the moderate pace zone overall. Still it was good to have company for the run. Avg HR was 143 for 8.6k at 5.29/km avg. 

    Fri 20th (Evening)

    I'd forgotten I had club training in the evening and might have skipped it except I'd already said I'd be there. After warmup and drills it was time for 6 x 300m sprints with 2 minute recoveries. These came in 1.05, 1.08, 1.05, 1.06, 1.10, 1.09. I think the morning run was catching up on me for the final reps or maybe I was giving myself an out. After cooldown we did some stretches and planks. It's so long since I did planks that they were torture. 4.5k in total.

    Sat 21st

    40min Easy. The temperature had climbed a bit and it was a nice mild day so took the option to do parkrun at an easy sedate pace. Spent 30 minutes going round chatting to a couple of other runners. Got scanned and started off to do the remaining 10 minutes and joined another friend on his cooldown. This was done at a faster pace than I'd done the parkrun. 7.8k for the day with an average HR of 135.

    Sun 22nd

    70min Easy. The base plan had 90 minutes easy and I was debating on whether to go run at all or not. I had about 28k ran the previous week and I'd be doubling that this week. In the end I decided to go for an hour and ended up doing slightly more. The terrain was a bit hilly and, again, I didn't slow down enough to account for it. 11.6k at 5.57/km and avg HR of 144 was the result of the day's efforts.


    Total for the week - 55.3 km

    This week was definitely an improvement and I can feel the running mojo coming back to me. That might simply be down to the better running weather.



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