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Border Collie - aggressive with strangers after three-day boarding kennel stay.

  • 29-11-2022 10:17PM
    #1
    evolvingtipperary101
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    My border Collie nipped at a woman today. My dog was sitting between us as we chatted. As the woman went to go, she suddenly bent down to pet the dog (she has petted her before - used to regularly meet her on walks) and my border collie reacted badly. The dog didn't break skin but nipped her on the hand to let her know she wasn't to be touched. A man on my road used to regularly pet her too - but the day I got her out of a boarding kennel (she was there three days), he went to pet her, and my dog would not let him near her. Bared her teeth and even at me when I tried to control her. In both instances with both people, after baring her teeth, she goes behind my legs and cowers when they try to talk to her and get close to her.

    What is going on? She lets me and family pet her all we want - big on cuddles and everything. A very affectionate dog.

    Do I need to bring her to a professional?

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  • #2
    em_cat
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    I would definitely have her assessed by a canine behaviour professional. It sounds that your dog has been traumatised by something or another from being in the kennel and or she is naturally not a people (strangers) kind of dog and shouldn’t be petted by them.



  • #3
    em_cat
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    OP

    Just checking, how’s your dog doing now?



  • #4
    evolvingtipperary101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119988637#Comment_119988637

    She's grand for the most part. Brought her to a dog groomer. She loves him. Jumping up on him. Petting away.

    There's a neighbor she hates. Goes mad if he comes near. Probably picks that up from me because I think he's a freak.

    She lets other neighbours pet her. But she can be wary of strangers.

    She nipped a child that was getting all the attention one day. I thought it was jealousy. But I've been told border collies will do that, to try and get the child running so they can herd them. Luckily, the child belongs to a sheep dog family. And they know a nip is not a bite.



  • #5
    rondog
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    So,your dog has nipped 2 people including a child and you havent put it down yet?

    If that was my child there would be an issue.

    What makes you think your dog can go around 'nipping' people?If the dog has that propensity to bite what if one bite is serious,sounds like a dog that shouldnt be around people ..PERIOD.



  • #6
    Yvonne007
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    Does sound like a dangerous dog.

    Do you have children?



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  • #7
    Ave Sodalis
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578240#Comment_122578240

    Collie's nip. It's part of their herding behaviour and does not indicate any reason to be concerned about an escalation. Same way sighthounds chase small fluffy things, beagles yell about everything, and retrievers often carry things around in their mouth.

    Generally, you'd encourage them to direct their herding behaviour into something productive, and encourage impulse control. Understanding breed traits is very important, and it sounds like the OP is now aware.

    The incidents above are now nearly 2 years old. OP has described how the dog was not themself, and was acting fearful/overwhelmed and giving warning. Giving the OPs update, it does not sound like this incidents have been repeated. PTS is not really indicated in these cases.



  • #8
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578347#Comment_122578347

    Didn't see the dates on the previous posts. Just came up on the main feed. Hope everything worked out ok OP.



  • #9
    rondog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭rondog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578347#Comment_122578347

    Nips are bites no matter which way you try to downplay them.If a dog nipped my child i wouldnt be responsible for my actions.Dog owners can never see the wrong with their dogs.Its shocking how biting another person is acceptable once we call it a nip.



  • #10
    Nody
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633168#Comment_122633168

    Then make sure you have control of your child because the majority of cases is the adult going "oh how cute my child is playing with a dog" while the child is stressing out the dog to the point it feels the need to defend itself yet it is somehow the dogs fault…



  • #11
    Dial Hard
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633168#Comment_122633168

    Did you actually go searching for threads just to post your usual anti-dog rhetoric on? I have no idea why someone who clearly can't stand dogs feels compelled to spend so much time on a forum dedicated to pets.



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  • #12
    rondog
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633205#Comment_122633205

    Control of the child?? TYpical dog owner waffle.If a dog cant even be approached by a child without the dog snapping/biting the chilkd then the dog shouldnt be around people ..period!.

    Always someone elses fault when dogs attack.Let me guess the dog that ripped that childs face off shouldnt have been playing football?



  • #13
    rondog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭rondog


    Pathetic comment.The title of this thread was 'aggressive with strangers…….'. Its a public forum so ihave every right to post my opinion.Just because it doesnt suit your dogs are angels narrative doesnt mean my comment is invalid.I laugh at the pro dog narrative that dogs biting children is just nipping etc.Same as all these XL bully owners whose dogs are killing people ,they say its the owner not the dog even though its been shown the owners treat the dogs great.



  • #14
    rondog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭rondog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633243#Comment_122633243

    Pathetic comment.The title of this thread was 'aggressive with strangers…….'. Its a public forum so ihave every right to post my opinion.Just because it doesnt suit your dogs are angels narrative doesnt mean my comment is invalid.I laugh at the pro dog narrative that dogs biting children is just nipping etc.Same as all these XL bully owners whose dogs are killing people ,they say its the owner not the dog even though its been shown the owners treat the dogs great.



  • #15
    CrookedJack
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635660#Comment_122635660
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635673#Comment_122635673

    Silly hysterical responses, which in no way help the OP with their issue.

    OP, I had similar with my young poodle who suddenly started to develop a tendancy to try to nip sometimes when highly excited. You suggestion of engaging a professional is a good one, at this point it is very possible to train this behaviour out of them, a good behavioralist will point the way.



  • #16
    Nody
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635660#Comment_122635660

    You are at least an adult I take it. Hence yes, it is YOUR responsibility as the ADULT to control YOUR child and not the dog owners responsibility that YOUR child approaches their dog. You are responsible for your child and what your child does; if your child decides to take a stone and scratch up the side of a car you are responsible; not the child nor the car owner. You as the parent of the child is the responsible party here of what your spawn does; not the dog owner. So yes, you should take ownership of what your child does; though clearly that thought appears to be abhorrent to you that you as a parent actually somehow have responsibility.

    Oh and as a reference, I've never owned a dog in my life but I'm sick and tired of parents who wash their hands of all responsibility of what their spawns does to other people as "oh but it's only a child". Well if it "is only a child" then you as the parent need to take responsibility for what said child does as well or give it up for adoption if you can't handle the responsibility. As owning an animal having a child means responsibility though for some odd reason parents tend to ignore that…



  • #17
    rondog
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635689#Comment_122635689

    Yes,its silly and hysterical to expect a dog not to bite/nip a child.If thats the level of intelligence im dealing with on this thread ill grab my coat.



  • #18
    xhomelezz
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122637402#Comment_122637402

    First of all apologies to mods and charters here.

    <snip>

    xhomelezz,

    Apologising in advance for a breach of a site wide rule does not excuse you from breaking a site wide rule. Please leave the modding to the mods.

    Do not reply to this post on-thread.

    Thanks,

    DBB

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  • #19
    DBB
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Might I remind all posters that whilst we welcome debate in this forum, we do not accept disrespectful posting styles.

    Use of words such as "silly", or "hysterical" in relation to other posts, or calling into question the "level of intelligence" of other posters, is disrespectful and inflammatory. So I'd advise posters to calm it all down, and think of a different way to express your views without being disrespectful in the process.

    Thanks,

    DBB



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