Homeless homeowner

The issue is once she rented it out it ceased to be her “home” and became someone else’s home. Reading between the lines it seems as if she didn’t issue the proper notice and that, in the interim, an eviction ban came into place. This is very hard on her and not really foreseeable.

Everything is on the tenants side unfortunately. The home owner has very little rights as it is now the tenants home and with the way things are going she might never be able to move back in.

I hope she finds somewhere to stay soon.

I think that's what is going to happen. Owners will leave places empty for fear of not getting them back

She followed the correct procedure at the time in July. In fact, it seems that she went above and beyond the minimum. The goalposts were shifted by the government, there was little the homeowner could do to predict that. She's not clairvoyant.

The housing situation is not being improved by the winter eviction ban. It's just shifting the problem to small landlords who are being used as cannot fodder by the government to save themselves from the rise of SF.

I rented a house in the past belong to someone who moved to the UK for work. If they had given me the minimum notice outlined in my tenancy agreement I'd have had to vacate. Tough sh1t, it's not my house. I had to do so once when the owner of a property I was renting passed away. I got the minimum notice per the tenancy agreement and had to find an alternative. It wasn't my house. A family member was left the property and chose to move in themselves rather than rent it out. None of my business.

Either we want property ownership rights in Ireland or we don't, time to sh1t or get off the pot. And face the real root cause of the problem. The government gave up on social housing for 25 years during a period of population growth.

There is no point getting angry over it. The rules are the rules. There is one house and two people who want to live in it. It is one person's legal property but it is the other person's home because the former granted the latter possession in return for money. That's the beginning and end of it.

Property ownership rights are not affected in any way, shape, or form.

My parents have stopped renting out their second property and now leave it vacant, only using it once in a while for a few days...

Why would you bother with these new rental rules and outrageous tax grab, unless you were desperate...

This idea of the renter acquiring a "home" when they rent a property, is the central issue. Not every Landlord wants an indefinite tenancy. There has to be a mechanism (after due notice) to end a tenancy in a reasonable timeframe. Failing to do so takes much needed supply out of the market. Responsibility to provide a "home" is not a landlords responsibility - and we should not expect this.

The mechanisms are spelled out in the legislation. This homeless homeowner will be able to regain possession of their property around March or maybe April of next year. That's fairly reasonable

Unless the government change the rules again, and she can't.

You're dodging the issue here. People rent out their property, in good faith, in accordance with the law of the land at the time of commencing the rental agreement. The government then decided to save face and burn the small landlords. What is your take on that?

If everyone was to follow your advice there wouldn't be a property for rent in the country. There would be too much risk attached for anyone to rent out a property.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If the landlord must take on so much risk surely by the same logic the tenant too must acknowledge the risk of renting. A tenant doesn't own the property and can be asked to vacate at any time by the landlord once sufficient notice is given.

Would you be in favour of the government rolling back some of the protections afforded to tenants? For example, shortening the notice periods and allowing the landlord to terminate at more frequent points in the lease?

Less people are taking the risk now, resulting in less property for rent.

Or I suppose, they could increase the price to make the risk worthwhile.

Neither scenario is beneficial to the tenants.

Or the property could be sold to someone else who can actually manage it properly and doesn't need to charge as much to make it work.

That makes no sense for anyone for working away for a period of time.

If you get married and have 3 kids and the oldest of them starts primary school, you're probably not going to be as footloose and fancy free and able to feck off to work in Australia for a year as your single twin brother is. These are decisions you make. They have consequences.

Plenty of people were "trapped" when the last bust hit. It's not that long ago. Buying a house can be a big commitment. You know that buying it.

The point is that if you enter into a long term commitment (i.e. a mortgage) then it might affect the ease at which you can do other things (i.e. travel or move abroad).

If you are unable to figure that out, and you learn the hard way, it is not reasonable for you to expect to be able to demand at that point that the system change to suit your particular whims.

This isn't about mortgages. You might not have a mortgage and have the same issue.

It's about rentals. The govt are making it more attractive to leave a place empty than rent it.

That would be easily fixed with a proper vacant house levy.

I think the government plans to build 10kunits per year. They are offering grants to repair old derelict propertys. They are also providing housing for ukrainian immigrants. the problem is the supply of rental units cannot keep. Up with demand. Also some landlords are opting to leave the market

Teachers and nurses are leaving ireland as they cant find good rental accomodation at reasonable price

Meanwhile theres 1000s of empty boarded up council flats all around the country

We have been in a housing crisis for at least 7 years

And they need 100k units per year for 5 to 10 years to meet demand, replacement stock and "social needs". This is not 100,000 houses but it is 100k housing units per year of which 50k can be studios, apartments and multi occupancy housing (all of which are badly needed). They need to implement protections for landlords e.g. wage and social welfare garnishing for unpaid rents and independently assessed damage. Also effective eviction laws and proper enforcement of same as soon as they relieve the very worst of the rental crisis. Nobody should be homeless and couch surfing when they can't get their house back from their renters.

Serves her right. Landlords do not add any value or provide any housing, rather they buy up housing and rent it at a higher than cost price to people who don´t have access to enough capital to buy housing. Renting out a property is per definition theft and we need to have no sympäthy for landlords.

Would my own landlord be in the same situation, I might have him sleep right in front of the d oor of the apartment I rent off him as a form of sympathy. Maybe if I feel particularly generous I´d throw him a blanket or two to stay warm. There´s a little roof in front of the door so less rain would fall on him. And that´s about as much sympathy as I´d have.

Ok so sell all your property then. That´s the intended outcome. More property on market will eventually mean lower property prices.

There are mechanisms to end tenancy in ireland, just not during an eviction ban.

Vacant procession often a requirement of the bank who's giving the mortgage.

The rules for tenants are stricter in the NI than in Ireland. Maybe they should also count their blessings.