Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

You need to book online using an email address.

You need to pay online with a card that needs valid id to open a bank account.

You go ahead now and provide a link to the statement of fact that nobody can know anything about anyone without a passport.

When you provide that I will agree with your really really stupid point.

If you cannot then we can agree your post is really really stupid.

I look forward to your link.

Your image would be on your scanned passport

Until Irish airports and airlines adopt a intraoperational biometric system it cannot be scanned in the immediate vicinity of the airport there and then. Given our propensity to tag along long after other countries have adopted procedures, I imagine we will be waiting. This was discussed a few pages back - its not straightforward and not stagnant in that some regulations have changed in line with Ukraine war for example. The National Garda Immigration Bureau have now as of this year have ( i think) access to the Schengen information system which is Europe's largest law enforcement database and the steady pace of weekly European arrest warrants which come before the Irish courts indicates they are using it to good effect. Perusing the cases in court records certainly implies that there are occasions whereby someone will apply for asylum here in Ireland as a means of avoiding prosecution in another country where a crime was committed. It seems to feature regularly.

The immigration officials had stopped people directly at steps of aircraft and detained in Cloverhill or Dochas or deported directly on next flight back but that was deemed unlawful. Under European law, everyone has the right to apply for asylum even if they have violated this law through the destruction or falsifying of ID. Does it make sense or bode well that they are inadvertently rewarded for their dishonesty - I don't believe so but our opinions are irrelevant when it comes to international asylum legislation.

I don't need proof.

I fully believe those young men are all are all economic migrants, oh and I was avoiding nothing I just don't have any real interest in engaging with you.

Yet another case of a non-EU national with Spanish papers facilitating an illegal scheme. Mohamed Morsy Ahmed arrived on a flight from Lisbon, and was found with 12 genuine refugee travel & resident permission documents while attempting to pass through immigration control at Dublin Airport with no checked luggage, at a time when we were during Level 5 Cv19 lockdown when only travel for essential business was permitted.

7 of the refugee documents were from Greece and 5 were from Germany. He traveled on a Spanish passport and claimed he lived in Santander since the 1990s, there was also a suggestion he obtained asylum in these countries hence having the documents. He was also found with passports from Yemen (legitimate) & a Polish passport which was fake. But Ahmed said he found the documents on the plane. On that same flight, 13 passengers presented themselves at immigration control with no travel documents & applied for international protection. A family of 6 (4 children), a family of 5 adults & 2 single adults. Isn't that a coincidence, the documents found on Morsy matched the 13 people. They were taken to a reception center where their asylum process when they should have been put on the next flight to Lisbon. DublinReg-III violation 101.

https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-involved-in-facilitating-illegal-immigration-to-ireland-jailed/2104314016.html

You said allowing these people into the country is the right thing to do.

I asked you why it is the right thing to do.

I have no idea what your waffle above has to do with what I asked.

So now that we have established you are in favor of people illegally entering the country, why is allowing them in the right thing to do?

is it fear mongering though? The system is deeply flawed and open to manipulation and as is the case of human nature, will be manipulated. There are indeed genuine cases even when documents are mislaid as is the case of the sunday world article - were these people coerced to hand over their ID? The destruction of documents shouldn't be ignore if anything from a potential human rights perspective. We cant assume that these lax approaches in border security solely benefit asylum seekers, we have consistently remained on a watchlist for human trafficking, we must assume its also placing them at risk of traffickers.

The fears perhaps, in part arise from the fact that foreign nationals are over represented in Irish prison, Foreign nationals and ethnic minorities receiving longer prison sentences in Ireland | Irish Legal News with foreign nationals comprising 12 % of population and 17% of prison pop, with the Black community representing 1.2 % of the population and over 2% of committals to prison in the 12 month precovid period.

lol but they wouldn't let you on the plane with no passport in the first place

Yes because they would get a big fine lol indeed

Also he would be returned on a plane.

Try reading it again a bit slower.

The discussion is about people turning up without ID being economic migrants or criminals.

Explain to me how someone who gets on a plane with ID, enters a country without ID is not an economic migrant.

If they wanted to ID themselves they could give their information to get themselves identified.

So they are turning without ID and refusing to identify themselves, without ID they cannot open a bank account for an employer to pay them.

So they cannot get a paying job so rely on social welfare and cash in hand jobs.

Now you tell me how these people are not economic migrants?

I cannot wait to hear your explanation.

Yes that is the point, we have people here saying if you don't have a passport an airline won't take you back.

I don't understand how some posters on here can defend it.

They are literally encouraging potential criminals fleeing other countries into communities.

These people are usually coming from backwards countries where they have no respect for women or lgbt people.

They potentially could be fleeing a country because of a charge of assault against women or lgbt people.

Yet the same few posters who encourage allowing these people in are in other threads defending the rights of women and lgbt people.

I just find it fascinating how people can defend minorities in one thread and cheer on people potential criminals fleeing crimes in countries where they actively hate those minorities.

During Covid, procedures were put in place where airlines had to make sure that passengers had their Covid certificates, this same type of system could be used to upload passports.