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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Why? I would have thought that those on welfare and not working would have the lowest quality housing in the state. I think social housing should be provided to lower income workers who need to live near their jobs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,684 ✭✭✭whippet


    that is the crux of it ... private landlords are expected to act like a business but are taxed as an individual.

    The only landlords who can sustain the current level of meddling are institutional and those who have significant portfolios. Yet these are the types of landlords who are being targeted with ire by everyone.

    So creating a market that only suits large and institutional investors while also bemoaning about how private landlords are fleeing the market is just irony.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    As I said previously a landlord is a service provider and like any other service provider is offering accommodation against cost to tenants.

    Fairly simple transaction but it is their asset to access after all.

    How can that be possible that this girl cannot access her apartment after she had issued a fair notice. We never had that issue years ago and the rental market worked fine.

    All of you here who are so against landlords (I am not even one) will find yourself without a place to rent as landlords all will leave the market. They will keep the houses empty as not worth the hassle.

    Living the life



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    There should probably be some sort of requirement to register a change of usage when renting out a property to avoid the sort of confusion she has ended up with. It ceases to be your home at that point, it is your rental business. And, for right or wrong, we have seen over the last number of years, the industry is highly regulated, changes frequently and the rules are stacked against the landlord. The reason for this, I assume, is that the state sees it as preferable to people being evicted on the day their lease ends and living on the street.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    It would remove about 80% of rental properties. Good luck with that one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭machaseh


    In this kip of a country most on welfare are either in derelict council estates or are homeless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,650 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    She didn't issue a fair notice. She notes herself that the notice she issued was invalid. Then the eviction ban came in so she couldn't even issue a valid notice.

    However it's disingenuous to compare accommodation to "a service". It's beyond that, and taking away that service can result in families with children being put out on the street. It's why there are such stringent rules about evictions, which tries to take into account the rights of the tenants and the rights of the landlords. It's a delicate balance and one that has to try suit all or as many circumstances as possible. The landlord in this case didn't issue a valid eviction notice. The tenants therefore had the right to challenge it. The eviction notice now means the landlord has temporarily lost the chance to serve a valid eviction notice.

    Also, landlords won't just leave the properties empty if they leave the market, as chances are they'll have a mortgage on the property so will have to pay that themselves, they'll have to keep up security and upkeep on the property which a tenant would have to do etc. Then you have risk of squatters, vandalism, damage, even the cost of security shutters if they wanted to try protect the property. Most landlords would likely sell the properties. Selling the properties would lead to increase of supply, which could lead to lower house prices. It'll also mean people currently renting may be able to buy due to increased supply/lower prices, which would take them out of the rental market and could ease the rental market too.

    Landlords leaving the market will not result in thousands of empty homes. Any gains to be made from the house increasing in value would be eaten up by paying the mortgage off themselves. They'd be more likely to sell.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its nothing like the car rental market, with car rentals your lease agreement determines the terms and conditions of the rental. There is nobody forcing a car rental company from renting out the car for longer than they want, there is nobody setting hard limits on what the car rental company can charge the free market determines that and it doesn't take the car rental company months or years to recover their asset if payment stops.

    Nothing wrong with long-term leases and more landlords would be in favor of them if they could control the terms of rent increases, but the sentiment is that the landlords agree to long term lets with very marginal increases no mater how the rental market is performing and not take into account additional costs in providing rentals. Costs have risen significantly over the last number of years but existing rentals in RPZ are still limited to increases of 2%. That's great security for the tenant but not so much for the landlord.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    No it wouldnt

    The properties would be sold. Have a go landlords can’t afford to sit on empty properties.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭machaseh


    There is an eviction ban so the landlord cannot end my tenancy.


    Once eviction ban is lifted, landlords will have the incentive to exploit tenants again as whenever they dislike them they can just get rid of them.


    And then there's another crisis (new pandemic? new war?), and another eviction ban, etc.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The long term rents caused a 2 part market in German. Those renting for years won't move, because their rent is cheap. New renters can't get a place because no one moves on. So their rent is sky high.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They will leave them empty. Hence all the talk of vacant taxes. Not everyone has a mortgage.

    The property will leave the rental market. They will be sold to owner occupiers. They are far lower density of occupancy.

    There needs to be a distinction between the private rental and social, low cost housing. They are not one and the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Well that was exactly my point, the rental market is not and should not be anything like a car rental market. There is a societal good element to property rental that does not exist with car rental.

    Institutional landlords are in a better position to be able to handle rules like the 2% increase and properly plan for it. The reason why we have restricted increases is to prevent renters being put in a position where their housing costs are unpredictable and volatile.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Large landlords chase profits and the high end of the market mostly. They won't solve the social or affordable housing issues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The German rental market is certainly not perfect but it is a lot better than here. It has been much more common to rent long term there. This is the direction we are moving in as a significant proportion of the population will be unable to afford to buy a property. Berlin has experienced huge change over the last 30 years, really more than most places in Europe. It was and in some cases still is, fairly low income. It was half communist with the other half surrounded by the DDR. There was not much industry. This has all changed relatively recently as it is has become attractive for young people to move there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    As a Dutch citizen, surely your home country must be more appealing to you at the moment?



  • Registered Users Posts: 584 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    But thats the exact same goal that small landlords have now. That's why they've increased rents by astronomical amounts over the last few years. Why is it better to have a small landlord who is much more likely to bend the rules, cheat their taxes, mistreat their tenants, etc?



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭machaseh


    Better than literally everybody who can't buy having sky high rent like here



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its the states responsibility to provide social supports not the private rental market.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Germany had a once in a lifetime opportunity to create a huge amount of rental stock following some unpleasantness between 1939-45 when the country was funded by the US to reconstruct itself and the provision of long term rental properties was possible. Ireland did some similar developments following independence and for 40 or so years thereafter when long term rental housing was constructed (council

    properties) which were subsequently sold off at a discount to existing tenants precluding them from being occupied by further social tenants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Quite, we have reached a situation where citizens (often younger) working on lower starter incomes/ jobs are priced out of both the rental and purchase market by the actions of the state. The state has the purchasing power and under increasing obligation to provide quality housing to those on welfare and asylum seekers, so competing against it's own tax paying citizens. Who thinks this is a good idea? It's a betrayal of a social contract.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    I haven't seen the social contract, can you point me to it as I am interested in seeing the exact wording?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That's because the German Market actually enforces it regulations and includes protection for the landlord not just the tenant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭weisses


    It's a kip as well ... they need 900000 houses with an inept government at the helm



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Why are you in Ireland though? Why not live in beloved Netherlands. I mean you have choices. You rent in an Irish slumlord that you hate. So improve your life, by choosing a better place to reside in.

    Living the life



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭machaseh


    Well what´s going on abroad isn´t that relevant except for comparison to the Irish situation.


    Netherlands is overcrowded. There are no vast rural areas where nobody wants to live and where you can drive for miles on end without seeing a living human being, like you have in Ireland. It´s 18 million people in an area about 1-4th the size of the island of Ireland. So potential areas to even build potential new housing are limited, while in Ireland you could i theory still continuously expand the city of Dublin out into county Meath and Kildare.


    So the situation is a bit different. Rogue landlords exist but it´s not as bad as in Ireland because at least if the building is sold tenants have the right to remain in situ, and after several years of tenure tenants can almost impossibly be evicted except after a very lengthy procedure and with valid reason. In addition there is way more socialized housing than in Ireland, I believe as much as 30 percent of housing stock is social housing. Unheard of in Ireland.


    So long story short the two countries aren´t really comparable and neither place is heaven.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,760 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Everyone is to drop all the Netherlands stuff immediately.

    Also, a large number of posters here have gone beyond what is acceptable on this forum. Despite this topic, this is not in Current Affairs and hence the laxer moderation of there does not apply.

    Cop yourselves on or get infracted.

    Do not reply to this post.



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