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  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    The Dark Knight Rises felt like a very long film to me even though it was only about 15mins longer than the Dark Knight which is a film I absolutely loved.

    Another thing I noticed about long films is that many of them could easily be trimmed down by 30 mins without having any impact on the story.

    The last James Bond film is a good example of a film that is way too long.

    Can anyone really justify the long running time of No Time To Die ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭KilOit


    Must have watched schindler's list about 6 times over the years, not once did it feel long. clocks in over 3 hours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,441 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I have never before seen a trailer for a film and thought I DEFINITELY don't ever want to see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Chris Stuckman review is out, as expected great visuals with clunky story line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    wowee empire giving it 5 out of 5

    pretty sure they hosted james cameron for the london premier last week



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    In other words, they know good **** when they see it....

    🙃



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,690 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Cameron says that The Abyss is coming to 4k Blu-ray by March 2023 at the latest. lol, nice try Jimbo! As anyone who has been following The Abyss Blu-ray saga knows, he has been claiming stuff like this for years. There's multiple articles going back to 2016 at least in which he said he was working on it now and it would be out in a few months.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    the thing is i remember going to see avatar imax 3D and thinking wow this is a 5 star movie and then i saw it on tv and was .....ah ok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    2 stars lol




    Avatar: The Way of Water review – a soggy, twee, trillion-dollar screensaver



    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,306 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It seems to be generally considered okay, great to look at with a thin story(as most expected).

    But 3 hours is a lot if there’s not much apart from visuals to keep me interested. Maybe if there’s a quiet day over Christmas but not really that pushed.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Sounds like exactly what the 2009 film was: an overwhelming visual experience, as long as one sees it in the cinema. No more than my own experience: a dud story but it'd be disingenuous of me to pretend the sensory experience in the cinema wasn't something else.

    The moment this appears on digital and the High Seas you'll see the drop-off of praise by those watching this on their smart-phone wondering what all the fuss was about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,441 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The storyline is still the same whether it's on a mobile phone or in the cinema.

    Got to think some reviews are paid for by the studio.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Why? Cos some viewers might put a film's visual experience higher than the ostensible story? It's not unheard of: plenty of films seem positively underwhelming if you focus on the story. Mad Max Fury Road is about a bunch of people driving in one direction, turning around then going back. But the journey was the meat.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    So saw this earlier. For the first 45 mins or so, it’s Avatar… again. Yes the tech has been improved, and now the frame rate is variable from shot to shot (I’ll have a lot more to say about that 😅)… but it’s more Avatar. It’s spectacular, goofy, over-earnest and very expensive. The story is rather silly - resurrecting dead characters in questionable ways, and basically just saying ‘so everything was fine, but the humans just came back again and war happened’. It introduces a half dozen new central characters in a two minute exposition dump montage, and since Na’vi all look pretty darn similar it can take a while to get your bearings.

    But then the plot moves along and we get to the water bits and I was pretty in awe of what Cameron is doing here. The water stuff is **** amazing, to be honest. Whether it’s the relaxed, vibe-filled middle hour or the thrillingly action-packed final act, it all has a clarity and fidelity oh so rare in modern blockbusters. Yes there’s still a bunch of spiritual mumbo jumbo and the writing’s pretty naff, but this is a blockbuster spectacle where you have no doubt whatsoever where that $350 million budget went. To borrow a video game term, it’s a generational leap over its predecessor. The film is not as light on plot as some reviews suggest, but nor is the story particularly weighty, and the stakes can’t help but all feel like something of a lengthy skirmish setting the stage for three (?) more films to come. I did appreciate how much time it spent just exploring the ocean and wildlife, but equally there’s no doubt it’s a (pretty long!) middle chapter in a story with all that entails.

    The secret sauce is the high frame rate (HFR), which I have to explain in more depth because it’s totally fascinating in execution. So the film (presuming you see it in Cameron’s intended format - not a given as this is being released in countless different formats) has a variable frame rate - some scenes are in normal 24 FPS, and others are 48. Actually, it varies from shot to shot, and even occasionally within shots (one element in HFR and others in standard). We’ve seen HFR before, most notably - and disastrously - in The Hobbit films, but variable frame rate is pretty new (well, in film at least).

    Just to be clear, I despised high frame rate in The Hobbit. I think it looked awful, and ruined the film with its horrid soap opera effect. This is very different. It’s distracting at first, kinda like an IMAX aspect ratio shift when you’re watching The Dark Knight on Blu-Ray. It’s mostly used for fast action or fast camera moves (compensating for the focus issues with 3D cinematography), with dialogue usually at a slower pace. It’s a bit jarring to see it jump back and forth - I’m hypersensitive to it so can’t help but notice the switch when it happens.

    But for the underwater scenes and final action sequences, it’s virtually all high frame rate, and it’s a hell of an achievement. I may have uttered a quiet ‘wow’ during the first dive sequence - it immediately justifies HFR. It looks uniquely, unbelievably beautiful - a level of ultra clarity that we haven’t seen in any film before, and hyper-real and immersive in a way that really blows past any concerns about soap opera effect. It helps of course that Cameron and his vast team fill almost every shot with colour and have very keen eyes for clear, legible, fluid action (traits also very beneficial for the 3D, making its not-at-all-anticipated but actually-pretty-cool-thanks-to-HFR comeback). It’s a feast of technology, really, and used to further Cameron’s very specific aesthetic and storytelling goals rather than just show off. Dude really loves the ocean, and you can see why 😅

    All of this is to say: see this thing in high frame rate in a cinema (or at very least wait for a good 4K version in HFR). Yes, it doesn’t fix some of the fundamental problems with Avatar: the central conceits and indeed Na’vi design still leave me pretty cold, though this does have a clearer and more engaging emotional backbone even if it’s top-heavy with characters. But it’s rare to go into a cinema and feel like you’ve seen something new, but this certainly offered that with it’s almost alarmingly clear and rich presentation. It’s a flawed film, but when the ride is this spectacular it’s better to just go along with it. Just make sure you see it in 3D HFR if you can!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Ya....ill be giving this a miss.....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I look forward to watching a cam copy on my phone, thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    The different versions are a bit confusing. I've seen Omniplex has a 2d (Maxx and normal screen), and then there's 3D in normal screen too.

    Is this needed to be seen in 3D again, and are any of their versions HFR?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    It’s a mess of formats - there’s apparently 2D HFR in the wild too, but most places I’ve seen aren’t really advertising the details beyond ‘2D’ and ‘3D’.

    I would absolutely recommend 3D anyway. Decent chance any decent modern screen will have HFR too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 324 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    Where did you see it?

    Movies@Cinemas confirm in their website that they have HFR 3D and Google seems to suggest that omniplex are also, but their own website leaves it ambiguous.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Not in Ireland so can’t be much help in terms of local screens unfortunately! Good to know Movies@ is showing it in HFR, and I’d imagine the Cineworld IMAX is as well based on past experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I was going to ask, normal or 3D. I’ve felt motion sickness sometimes with that but if it’s worth it I will give it a go.


    Also, does iMax make much of a difference ? I can get to Parnell screen but it’s a fair trek for me. Considering it’s a visual feast (I don’t expect Oscar winning dialogue/story) it seems like it might be better to make the effort?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭walkonby


    Is it just me or is there noticeable pixelation in that Cineworld imax? Not seen Avatar yet, but I saw both Dune and Maverick there.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    HFR might go some way towards alleviating the motion sickness. It means your eyes don’t need to do as much work to focus on motion as they do in 24 FPS 3D.

    Cineworld IMAX is grand. You don’t want to be near the front as you’ll see the pixelation mentioned above, but it’s a decent digital screen for blockbusters. I’m not sold on the likes of MAXX etc, but this is a rare film that visibly benefits from a more modern projector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Omniplex only had 3d in normal screens so you've to go with a smaller screen there if you want to see in 3d.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Warning: Kermode has done one of his interminable 'comedy' reviews on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Was a fan a long time ago but found him becoming more self-indulgent as time went on. Had second-hand embarrassment watching the latest example of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    my response was badly worded, I meant kermode was not a fan of the movie then. I think he can analyse a film fairly well but I wouldnt take his opinion to watch or not watch a film and he is a bit pompus for his own good. he is ok in small doses. If he reviews an Irish movie I might be curious to get his take

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I really like the first one even on the small screen. I watched it at home for the first time in ages, and even though I remembered the main plot beats, I was still drawn into the story and adventure. I think Saldana's excellent performance as Neytiri is the key to the first film. She is probably the only character that feels properly fleshed out rather than a mere trope, such as Ribisi's "evil corporate asshole" or Lang's "evil military asshole" (although I did enjoy Lang's scenery chewing performance).

    This sequel looks spectacular. Aside from the scenery and underwater stuff, there are some close-ups of Neytiri that look astonishingly real. The new teenage characters walk a very fine line between being tolerable and annoying, and it doesn't help that they refer to each other as "bro" in practically every scene they are in. That might work for LA surfer dudes but it doesn't quite work when the people who are saying it look like the Na'vi.

    I still prefer the first one, and I think I'd enjoy the sequel more if it wasn't three hours. There is loads in it to enjoy but there is also a lot of padding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Got a cam copy of it. Fairly rough though. Its the kinda movie you need in 4k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Omniplex in Cork at the very least had it in HFR, albeit I wasn't aware it was HFR until I checked the ticket on the way in as was just advertised as 3D when I booked it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    A musing on the numbers from Thur and Fri, its tracking lower than a lot of marvel movies, might be the time of year, slower start but picks up over xmas?



    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Ya, I'm in Cork too. Only thing throwing me off on the 3D is it's not in the Maxx screens. Surely want to see this on the largest screen available



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Way too early to call and MCU movies are not comparable. The key to the first movie's success was word of mouth after the first weekend - Cameron himself has said they won't know until the third weekend if they can go ahead with plans for Avatar 4-5.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭Homelander


    It's only been out two days and already at $180m, I would say that's a fairly powerful opening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I’m unlikely to see at cinema but is it only being shown in 3 D ?, I hate 3D



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Nope there are screenings in 2D.

    I thought the first film was one of the very very few films that actually worked better in 3D.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    3D gives me a headache, I saw Avatar ( 2009 ) in 3D , never again



  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    3D ruins some films if they have a lot of colour in them.

    Like Tron Legacy looks far worse in 3D because of the loss of colour you get with the 3D glasses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭Homelander


    3D is crap in most movies because the movies weren't actually shot in 3D but converted.

    Avatar is in a league of its own when it comes to 3D quality. It must be 10 years since I've watched a 3D movie but I'll be watching Avatar 2 in 3D for sure.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    There’s around three-four films out of all the 3D films I’ve seen that justify the tech. Avatar 2 is one of them, so it is worth giving it a go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭deandean


    I loved the original Avatar. Today I saw Av2 in Cineworld Dublin Screen 1 3D.

    For me, this was 3h15m of mosly sh1te aimed at 10-year olds. It was so bad that my OH bailed after 2h and went shopping. I'd rate it 20% as good as the original.

    There was something seriously wrong with the 3D. There was almost no difference whether or not I had the 3D glasses on. The image was very poor, very blue, and a lot of stuff was out of focus.

    I cannot understand how this movie is getting great reviews.

    And i hear there are three sequels in production! LOL.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭santana75


    Went to see this last night and overall I liked it. Its way too long though, should've been at least 45 minutes shorter. The 3-D just wasnt necessary, IMO, at times it just looked like a computer game, it was block or something. Someone once mentioned to me about the "Uncanny valley" which I think applied here. That said I did like it all the same, it did a good job of making you care about the Sully family and I suppose thats half the battle. Its not gonna be the most successful film of all time, it may even flop, but its not a bad movie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Lefty2Guns


    Went to watch it Saturday morning (2D in Dundrum).

    I really enjoyed it, it didn't need to be as long as it was and a lot of unnesseccary scenes should have been removed. There was a lot of young kids in the cinema and not one of them mad a sound. They were all glued to the screen. Nobody even left to go toilet which says a lot.

    Plenty of action in the movie too.

    Was there with my sister and nephew and the 3 of us rated it. Someone mentioned it above that its definitely a film for the cinema.

    5/5 for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Lefty2Guns


    Actually tempted to go back to watch in 3D.

    If going I would recommend going to an early screening. We were at the 10.30am show and didn't leave the cinema until about 1.50pm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 324 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    Overall I liked it the film. It didn't feel like a long film, which is a good sign, considering the actual runtime

    I would definitely recommend seeing it with the High Frame 3D if you can. It was absolutely stunning and is experience you can't get with any other film. Some people have found the frame rate changes from scene to scene distracting, but I had no such problems and only really spotted it when I was deliberately looking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Saw it yesterday and really liked it.

    Annoyingly I wanted to see it in HFR but IMAX in Blanchardstown didn't have that. Kinda annoying considering the premium price.

    Looking around online it's impossible to find which cinemas do HFR.



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