When does somebody become a proper "gangster" in Ireland ?

You need a proper nickname too.

I suppose an international aspect would be one key criteria.

Even cross border would do, that still qualifies, but is frowned up for the lack the snazziness.

Covering your face with a folded newspaper to avoid the camera should be one of those small regular annoyances that you have to contend with. Thats the 'taking out the bins' of the gangster.

20 or 30 years ago, gangsters were proper gangsters. The current breed are embarrassing. The gangs around now are all cowardly bastards. Mr. Flashy, the Gucci gang - they wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes back in the 90s.

Have a relationship with your wife and her sister and the wife knows about it! Hard core.

Booyakasha

Gangsta, bitches

(Or what most of the lads trying to come across as serious on the gangland thread are like in reality)

It’s actually the other way around. The indigenous Italian mafia and specifically the Sicilian and Comorro were involved in heroin trafficking. It was the American Italian mafia had issues but it wasnt a vblanket. It was up to the head of each family. The head if gambino was shoot on sight any drug activity. But sure gotti was up to his neck.

No that’s not true at all and mainly an idea perpetrated by the godfather with don corleone turning down the relationship with Sollozzo and copperfastened with Paulies disdain in Goodfellas. But the mafia was never against deugs and it was a decision by 2 family bosses. But back in Italy as soon as heroin and Cocaine became available the sicillian and comorro were first to the trough. In 1962 manzella In Sicily organised the first major shipment of cocaine. You have to understand this is rural Italy they would never have seen the impact of the end product like the Americans would in built up area. They see agriculture product and by product. And most importantly ,money. Also the other major revenue fr the Italian was human trafficking which went hand in hand with the drug traffickng

In fairness I think Big Gerry covers that 😬

They were anti drugs. But apart from two boss’ s they all made a significant portion from drug trafficking. trafficking is different obviously dfferent to controlling the streets or areas or drugs. This is more logistics and the supply chain both nationally because of their control of the haulage industry, they had cops on the take so guaranteed easy passage etc.equally they had control o docks, international shipping as well as bonded warehouses in major airports. So they would use their re existing networks to facilitate the latrge international trafficking of narcotics. So they have this hands off that’s not us appearance but also it’s them.

as for michael franceze I’ll say this. This is a sticky subject for him. He could not in all faith admit they all were up to their eyes in it but his brother was a junkie who got hiv. That would be very painful and not in line with his new ‘ i found god I’m fully redeemed persona.

the massive mob drugs busts in the 70s and 80s are in direct contrast to the alleged no drugs policy. Also the whole of vegas was bankrolled by gambling prostitution and drugs. Same as At

antic city and the shore.

we actually did a case study on this book for work. Really eye opening https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/narcotics-trafficking-and-american-mafia-myth-internal-prohibition

this is another great article in the deep rooted international trafficking history and recent past

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-italy-mafia-20140212-story.html

Like the Dunnes or Felloni ?

Foley is well hardened at this stage, would he be 60?

just checked it he’s 71!