General British politics discussion thread

and your point is?

Everything is lovely, nothing to see here I presume?

There aren't areas of Dublin where the woefully underfunded Gards don't venture in to, or thousands of University students on a course they didn't really want to do because they lost out on the CAO lottery, or over 600 people a night on hospital trolleys because the HSE can't find them beds,

No, not in Ireland, everything is wonderful

And would you say an Irish nationalist in say Down is the same as a dairy farmer in Kerry?

is a Breton the same as a Parisian or is a Catalan the same as a Basque?

then there’s Italy of course which anyone who has been there will tell you that someone from Milan is almost an entirely different nationality to someone from Brindisi.

in Ireland everything is seen very black and white. There water all around us and everyone on this island is Irish and we all play hurling and listen to trad music, therefore we must all be the same. The reality is somewhat different.

people are a sum of their own history whether that is a kid from London with Nigerian parents, the kid from Cornwall with Cornish parents or the kid from Bradford with Pakistani parents. Ultimately though, they are all English and would not describe themselves as anything else. I’m surprised someone who lived in London doesn’t understand that

this discussion about different people and nationalities is almost bordering on eugenics.

do they? you and your friend group might, but it is a huge leap to say the public fully support this.

not even RMT members "Fully" support this

It isn't whataboutery at all, it is me saying you are talking a load of rubbish, but with examples. You are trying to make out that people from different backgrounds and circumstances indicates a lack of a cohesive society, whereas small countries like Ireland don't have that, which it clearly does.

The UK could do with more cohesion, for sure, but so could everywhere and it is only to be expected in a country with over 60m people in it. and with over a million arriving in the last year.

There are plenty of examples of cohesion though, which probably don't fit in with your dystopian view of the UK, but they are there none the less. The City of London Academies being the first example that springs to mind, or even the Roundhouse charity. The backers of these are generally successful city types who are giving something back to their city.

The big thing in the UK, or England specifically though, is that philanthropy is something you do on the quiet. Bragging about or letting people know you are ding it is seen as crass.