Tesla Model Y

I cant cancel just because of sensors, car has alot of features, there arent a lot of alternative options.

its just a big kick in the nuts.

imagine they made uss a subs model like merc with acceleration and bmw heated seats.

you’d pay everytime you wanted park. Imagine elon’s evil grin then

im so annoyed at this.

You also get the sensor input superimposed on the infotainment output on your XC90 those green, yellow and red bars that come up telling you how close you are are from the sensors not the camera.

I can get 400km+ easy from either of our Model 3s, in summer, at reasonable speeds, not dogging it but not hypermiling either.

A few days ago, 260km from 100% to 2% with a preconditioned battery & cabin - M7, bone dry & cold but sustained motorway speed (a return journey so no unbalanced headwind etc.).

The Y, in similar circumstances, would yield less & even less again with a puny 55kWh battery, let alone if they sequester 8/9kWhs of it for the buffer.

We've one ordered but we're getting back towards too short a range now to be practical for non big smoke dwellers & decent mileage users.

No parking sensors, worse AP, smaller battery, dire customer service......maybe it's me but the cars are being continuously downgraded/cheapened & previous Tesla owners are more & more likely to jump ship.

Similar here. I'm on my third tesla, a 222 model 3 RWD, but the prospect of a fourth is looking very unlikely. I decided against ordering a model Y until they sort out this nonsense. Tesla Vision is the stupidest thing yet but AP has gotten worse and worse over the last 2 years. The best AP I've had was and stll is AP1

Park assist/autopark/summon features will be coming soon on non USS cars.

Image processing/neural networks are much powerful than you think. This is not rocket science - which we know he is good at, so they'll sort it out... In 2-3 software updates will be better than cars with USS.

I have had issues in past with radars/USS sensors driving through bad weather (snow/ice). ACC (adaptive cruise control) stops working when radar is covered by ice and might require re-calibration after. You won't get this with image processing. Even if image is dirty it can be clean-up easily - via filtering in sw of course. You can't do this with an USS...

My back left USS drives me nuts sometimes. Car is breaking inexpertly because of a false positive. Again this won't happen with a Vision based system.

I can tell you that ditching the USS was not only cost related. Recently I had to ditch myself an USS and use instead a CMOS (again less false positives using classifiers in a vision based approach).

I think people are overreacting a bit. Use of image processing is a must for self driving. Tesla vision is the future. Also all modern ADAS solutions (EURONCAP 2020) from competition are using Vision not Radar or USS...

https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/safety-campaigns/2020-assisted-driving-tests/

@josip camera's are heated. No frost. Sw update comming soon you'll see.

Took few attempts for a Flacon 9 to land but since December 2015 they are nailing it... We are taking about same guy here. Yes sometimes he sets high goals but this is the road to progress. My 2018 Skoda feels like an old car today compared to a 2018 Tesla that got periodic updates. Tesla is a tech company that will deliver via SW updates. HW is there already and cameras have high enough resolution to be able to deal with a parking sensor assist scenario...

How does all this tie in with the multiple reports above of people finding their Tesla cameras blocked and useless at the seemingly slightest meteorological provocation, or events hardly unexpected such as the sun being low in the sky?

If you have sentry on tonight you'll see a frost free patch around the front camera anyway. Thought the side ones were heated by the cabin air

@podgeandrodge did you ever worked with sensors and image processing? USS are only used for blind spot and parking and in some scenarious imediat colission detection. How can you do lane assist with an USS or a radar or lidar? You are completely loosing the point. On an USS, you get a signal for the sensor output you can't do much extra filtering while image processing opens loads of possibility. I'm amazed that people that have never worked in the industry are experts. I assume all on this thread are intrested or already ordered or own a MY. Technology wise a Tesla is far more advanced than competion with in house solutions. I expect that even in this regard some to object. Majority of the other OEMs are integrating off the shelf solutions... Automotive market will look very different in 5-10 years. Same as it happened with Nokia and Ericsson on consumer telco - phones.

This really wouldn't bother me. At the stage of my life such overly simplistic stereotypes or inferences mean very little. They reflect poorly on those who make them rather than those who they are directed towards.

The functionality and features of the car on the other hand is something I would be concerned about.

@podgeandrodge did you checked my location first before making a comment about a company in Galway. Haha. How can you do lane assist without a camera :). I'll stop here.

Yes I work in industry for the past 20 years :).

This is the main reason why Tesla start droping sensors inputs for the self driving capability. Contradictions between inputs :). Elon explains very well this bit - youtube is your friend. Fusion - combintation of multiple sensors was a big hype 4-5 years ago. Not anymore.