Tesla Model Y

🤣 Buying in Elons marketing main reason is cost. Of course Elon would never change his mind. Would the following be classed as fake news then

True but those are a L2 capable system (but still bettered by Daimler and BWM to name a few). Camera only system will always have a requirement for driver to keep hands on the steering wheel.

Sorry missed this one... Where did I say you can do lane assist without cameras. I'm saying a optimal ADAS solution uses several sensors including cameras. I'm all for cameras kid but a camera only system is not capable of achieving what is needed for an hands free autonomous system L3+. Look at the Tesla manual FSD still requires hands on the wheel and that won't change until they at least bring in radar too.

@podge1979 - "a optimal ADAS solution uses several sensors including cameras"

There's your assumption again. Who says we need an optimal solution? We'll never get to an optimal solution (where an autonomously driving car would never kill anyone). Not in decades anyway. And we don't need to. A solution that is much safer than human drivers now and can be implemented within a decade is far preferable than some sort of utopian solution and it will save far more lives.

When I say optimal I mean a system which can in fact be a completely hands free system.

So yes if a driver assist system is what you want with human intervention expected L2 then yes that's fine.

Having a clause in the fine print covers car companies e.g Tesla

"The currently enabled Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. Full autonomy will be dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As Tesla’s Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capabilities evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates"

This won't change and fairly apparent Tesla regs department agree with that as it seems Radar will be going back in. So in theory there will be a lot of Tesla's out there that will never be capable of actual FSD.

It's a great marketing term isn't it - beta. They can still charge handsomely for it, promise the sun moon & stars with it, disavow any issues with it & never deliver.

Beta.

It's a car. A combination of hardware & software. Tesla modus operandi - remove previously promoted hardware (radar/ultrasonic sensors etc.), reduce input costs, increase margin & just say "software - beta - coming soon........it will be better".

Ditto for the smaller (far cheaper) battery, less range.....yes, you guessed it - safer & better!

I hope this Berlin built, blade batteried Y isn't hugely devalued by the same car the following quarter, which may have high res radar &/or USS sensors fitted again!

One thing that isn't beta - the €60k cost of the lowliest Model Y (before taxpayer gift of €5,000!).

Ours is due Q1 next year too but I'm seriously thinking of keeping my Q2 '22 Model 3 now, which still has working radar plus USS & drives far better than our Q4 '22 Model 3, sans radar & with Tesla Vision/latest updates.

I'm actually looking at going a different route entirely now.

Yes, yes I am! I've benefitted well from it & in doing so, have saved numerous penguins. Maybe even a polar bear or two.

I'm sure other taxpayers, who aren't as fortunate as me, can see how they (& their kids/grandkids) have benefitted by their generous donation to allow me to go green.

The cheapest Model Y is indeed €53k but that's white. I had a white Model 3 & we've blue & MSM 3s so working ourselves through the entire colour palette. Not sure I fancy the red Model S Plaid though.

There's a lot to be said for white, in fairness. Easy to keep & hides blemishes well.

Black looks great but nightmarish to keep looking well & shows everything.

Red tends to fade, not that I keep cars long & can look well, depending.

The MSM is likely the best option, especially when "murdered out".

Nice and safe behind the wheel maybe , not so much for cyclists and motorcyclists . Electric cars are a Green con . Probably why Eamonn Ryan drives a Volkswagen Diesel . I'll stick to my '95 Corolla Estate . Starts up and runs like a charm , even in the current cold snap .

Haven't seen a white M3 or Y recently that wasn't dirty looking. I'm sure the owners are fastidious about keeping everything clean but even a short trip in this kind of weather with muddy road spray, slush, and organic debris everywhere means you've no chance keeping a white car looking decent for long. That turned me off the white a bit.

That said, saw the same blue MY around Sandyford/Dundrum a good bit recently, and while clean, it was just dull - no pop from the blue at all, to the point where it simply looked a muted non-metallic. 202-reg so maybe the paint code changed since?

Not sure if that's a dig at me, hope not so I'll ignore it. I'm no Tesla fanboi but I have followed the self driving developments with interest for years. We both agree this should not be in a Tesla thread but in its own thread really. And not specific to Tesla's efforts in autonomous driving, but in any car maker's.

Can you answer my genuine and rather philosophical question - and note that I am not going into specifics about hardware - why would NHTSA care what way technically an autonomous vehicle works if it can be proven with data that it kills or injures say 80% less than a human driver?

On a different note - the 19" Gemini wheel covers, how easy would it be to spray paint them black matt? Spray away or would you need to prepare the surface first?

The aftermarket covers look good but not having an extra set of covers knocking and saving a few hundred quid at the same time is appealing. I'll be going with the bare alloys and Tesla wheel cap set unless going on a long journey when I'll Pop the Geminis back on for range. What do you reckon?