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No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    jus reading last thursdays farmers journal, jeez a full on assault on suckler cows, very hard to see there being many of them left in 10 years time. there really gunning for them, i seen this coming 3 or 4 years ago but it seems they dont care anymore they are happy to come out and say it, get rid of suckler cows so we can keep dairy cow numbers. very blatant now, i wonder what the thinking is on sheep ? do they want them eradicated now too?



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Probably, saw comment during the week that replacing cattle with sheep was bad because of the biodiversity impact sheep have.

    A good famine is what's required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Its typical of John Fitzgerald and his type that are on the committee pushing this greenwash that while attacking Sucklers, and they r then pushing even more intensive livestock models for pigs and poultry with all the attendant animal welfare and pollution issues


    https://www.noteworthy.ie/factory-farm-epa-applications-5941942-Dec2022/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Despite the fact that I have some,I do think suckler farming is a flawed model all along the east coast. On more marginal land they start to make sense. I still think the attack on them is over the top and I would have to support any resistance to it. Freedom to farm in whatever system you choose is an important battle to be fought. This springs to mind.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Eventually mainstream media will crank up the pressure on the climate agenda and people will eventually change their habits and suckler farming in Ireland will suffer greatly.



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  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just having a trawl through DD, a 16 year old Yamaha 700, €6k !

    Be as well off buying new with second hand prices like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    I bought a new Yamaha this year, there is no value in any of the secondhand quads at all out there I found



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    I was only saying to a friend at the weekend could you imagine ten years ago when we started out driving giving the guts of €8k for a ten year old avensis. It would have been madness altogether back then.

    Better living everyone



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    There's a pair here in the yard, one runs in the summer time as a 'field car' the other one is put away for 'vintage status'. I think it was the only brand new car we ever bought. ABS sensor was the death knell!

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No it's fairly brutal, another lad I know bought a new Yamaha too, thought he was mad at the time but I hadn't looked to be fair



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,694 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I see the Jalex commercial show herd in Co. Antrim have three heifers missing presumed stolen.

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/show-heifers-feared-stolen-from-antrim-farm-740621



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I have to disagree. The new scheme gives farmers choice. A farmer can remain with sucklers and the support schemes are still there and will pay over 200/ cow/ year for the next five years duration of this cap program.

    However if they wish to exit( many do) they will receive a payment depending on whether it is partial or full destocking.

    As Grueller stated sucklers are a flawed model. They are only economical where there is large suckler premia handed out to those that farm that way.

    On better land types sucklers make absolutely no sense and encouraging farmers to think about differ system makes sense. The average suckler cow weans 0.8 calves per year at the last figure I saw a couple of years ago and if you stock at an intensive level costs are horrendous.

    By the time the calf is weaned he has cost anything from 5-900 euro depending on different lads costings. And the average weanling off a suckler probably sell in the 7-800 euro bracket

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    They edited the facebook post in that journal link to say they've magically appeared this morning.

    (You'd be half wondering was it for publicity for his sale. Otherwise whoever got spooked and returned them.)



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've known people in this area to be challenged regarding missing property only for it to reappear a day or two later in a different part of the owners own property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Meanwhile , Ryanair announces five new routes from Cork Airport and increases the flight frequency on eleven other routes.

    Good to see we are all in this together !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    @GNWoodd I get the impress that there is a push to blame agriculture for emission so that they can push for a massive reduction in agriculture. That will allow other industries that provide more employment and taxes to the exchequer expand or remain but as is. They will be able to fudge the figures and point to an over all reduction in emissions, farm land will then be planted in trees so they will actually saying there has been a massive decrease in the amount of emissions this little island produced. Out sourcing our food production to Brazil and the likes looks good on paper for Ireland / Europe in terms of emissions but the reality is the overall levels produced in the World will actually have increase and with no benefit to climate change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There was a business man interviewed on radio 1 once when the negotiations were ongoing in one of the Cop-out conventions. He was saying Ireland is in a great position to lower emissions as we export so much food. He maintained all we need is enough for our own population. He was an educated fool but emphasised other countries hadn't got the scope to reduce emissions in agriculture as they were food importers or and had large industrial output. Naturally enough non agricultural industry was not to be touched.

    This is what we're up against. Throw in the cow is being blamed for everything in the EU, English speaking world, vegan culture religion in high circles/media.

    We're rabbits caught in headlights in this country.

    The enviros are trying to play farmer against farmer here to just even get 50% of what they want. What they want is reduced output to really just feed ourselves. The cynic in me says Putin is putting money into them to cause disruption in the EU. Russia has already been found to be funding enviros in Germany who objected and protested to nuclear power plants and to even get gas declared emissions free. Putin was a handler in his Germany days for the leader of a terrorist (if there was ever any else) neo nazi group in Western Germany. He needs chaos in countries that are his enemy. Back to the food and who benefits from reduced EU output. The Brics countries benefit which includes Russia as a food exporter. Enough was made of this fact by Russian supporters in with all the potential African people dying of hunger. Enviros also nearly showed their hand here in nearly championing Russia for this.

    Back to here our Minister for Heritage.

    Who has now funded a bio data centre to be run as a company. Basically a wildlife info gathering centre who will now be able to advocate to government based on info gathered but here's the kicker. It claims it'll be independent of government but it allows the way it'll be funded to be funded by outside interests. It'll now be beholding to those outside financiers. The same way an Taisce has been set up.

    There's huge money to be made in being disruptive.

    As for the farmers in this country. We're dirt on their shoes.

    We really need representation in this country and not be rolling over for everything.



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On the last line, I was going to say "final line" but thought better of it, where will it come from, I don't see it, or rather enough of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    I agree with this sentiment to the point I had to check I didn't write it myself!!

    Livestock agriculture will eventually be sacrificed in Ireland to protect the golden goose (multinationals).

    I'd bet one of the larger Pharmaceutical facilities add's more value to the Irish economy each year than all the livestock on the island.

    I'd also bet one large pharmaceutical facility is more harmful to the environment than all the livestock on the island.

    The carbon figures will be twisted and no one will question it, and our food requirements will be outsourced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The farmer head on this yoke!!

    Tadgh Furlong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    In A&E with the young lad since 1 today. He was triage around half 3 and then brought into A&E around half 5. Still in there taking up space on someone while they wait for a surgeon to come and confirm he should be checked in. There must be a better system than him taking a bed to wait.

    Place is manic too. Staff under serious pressure. I don't know how they stick it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Sympathies. Had something similar with a family member recently. It's getting worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Jesus. It's an actual wonder this is being broadcast on RTE with the farmer bashing lately. The council's status would surprise nobody in this country however.

    Now if it were on the other foot and a farmer was found polluting. Well then put me down for overtime and there's days out to be had on this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    Was there every investigations like it done around Foynes? Would be interesting to see the results.

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    That direction. If i had to stay with my previous employer i could have been working there over the past year thankfully i left when i did, i would refuse to go there now at this stage. I worked on a mechanical overhaul of a vessel out of there before and that was rough enough and ive seen vehicles that have come out of there after a few years too. I was told you wouldnt hear any birds in around there however true that is i dont know i was also told there was no big men working there no thrive in the place at all.

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,192 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    See can you find your family name on this great map, covering Gaelic and Hiberno-Norman names. Scroll up a bit.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120001836#Comment_120001836

    Not your ornery onager



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thanks, I did, been looking for something like that for a while



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    Still concentrated in the one spot as back then, shake a bush down in this county one of us would fall out a fella told me before. Worked with a little dub before who was amazed when ever i had to give my name for permits and the like everyone with the book mentioned the county straight away.

    Better living everyone



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,528 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Even the private hospitals..... I had an operation on my hand in the beacon a fortnight ago, it got an infection, the wound burst open yesterday, surgeons receptionist said they'd look after it this morning, fair enough, but a nurse phoned me last night to say they'd change the dressing and assess it.

    Looks like the earliest it'll be repaired is sometime next week. I went to the GP yest morning and he didn't want to touch it, his only comment was That'll never heal sure I can see the tendons.

    I know a good few that came out of the beacon with infections, even sepsis.

    It's strange....... if you get an infection while you're in the beacon they call it a bad infection , but if you get it 24hrs after coming home and have to go to local hospital, the local hospital calls it sepsis



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