I am Proud of Being a Conspiracy Theorist

22:56 last night

Dude you came here to pretend to be a conspiracy theorist for some reason.

Like I said. You aren't being very funny or helpful.

I've noticed that the accusations of being paid shills have dried up lately...

I just prefer honest discourse. We can all talk rubbish, but we can believe that rubbish. But! Sitting back and going "that's rubbish " is not helpful.

Ct's need to prove stuff, which is true to an extent, but there is no indicative proof as such. Show proof against these, I hesitate to say it, theories.

Smarmy posts do nothing for me. What do they get out of it?

Lol. Again with your gaslighting and again, you avoid the question I asked.

Perfect demonstration of hypocrisy.

What is added by you pretending to be a conspiracy theorist, mocking the people who are now latching onto your posts?

Counter weight to you dismissing people out of hand with no substantial evidence except for posting articles you readily admit you don't understand.

Whether I believe stuff on the ct forum or not Is irrelevant. Honest effort and discussion is important.

That's why I posted what I did. For both sides. To get honest discussion.

See how easy it is to poo poo just thoughts and queries? Also how easy it is to go down the rabbit hole?

Maybe step back and not be so confrontational. On the other side, maybe see what the non ct person is saying.

You pretended to have knowledge on a subject.

Im going to be upfront and as transparent to engage in this topic. I’m fairly easy to google based on my posting history.

Firstly I have no clue what gaslighting means and the amount of times it has been raised on this thread shows I really need to brush up on modern vernacular.

This post is purely based on my experience. If we take the common definition of conspiracy theory, it is defined as situations caused by sinister or powerful groups usually with political motives.

In my career I have provided advice and opinions and worked on cases for the attorney general and DPP and the following case defended the other side. Similarly i have provided opinions on rules of evidence in the international criminal court and then to groups who may be participating there.

Most recently specialising in anti money laundering and counter terrorism I engage with law enforcement agencies and also institutions that may require advice.

But my point is, my experience is not skating around the corners. It’s right up in the middle of the beast. If there were groups manipulating outcomes or involved in the cases it would have been apparent.

But I’m open to discussion. But to discuss this takes more than ‘pure speculation without foundation’.

My point is, I have been involved in cases where conspiracy theorists have bet their lives that evidence would be disappeared or the case itself pulled. Didn’t happen.

I have advised on policy to help minorities that parties went on record as saying banks/stakeholders would veto. Went through.

advised particular groups on international criminal law that many thought would end in jail.

example after example. But not once has a conspiracy theory came to be proven.

There's very few conspiracies on this forum. It's mostly just an outlet for denial and anti-science/vaccines/government views.

Of the few conspiracies that do crop up they are typically innuendo more than anything

Your story isn't a conspiracy though, unless there was an anti-trouter movement and cover-up to prevent you getting there. Theorists in particular need there to be a big bad to justify their own views, the flat-earthers need an ice wall to exist and evil pilots to go in circles for hours to maintain the illusion, the anti-vaxxers need "extreme pro-vaxxers" to fight against (0 people are getting vaccines for the sake of it bar a few uneducated in the states who would go pharmacy to pharmacy based on their own misunderstanding on vaccines). No one implicitly trusts pharma companies (despite all the nice ads they make), they do trust the independent science that occurs to verify their claims, they are unlikely to do that science themselves (though some here have),

I've been lucky enough to learn and apply a lot from my days in the labs both in college and business (the former was physics and chemistry and the latter was biological) so know the processes and how to read the data, but also to read all the data (and I'm as interested in the studies showing a branch of science was built on a bad paper and data as the fusion breakthrough that will take years to commercialise) and not hide the parts that I disagree with (which is endemic on here, how many posters are hoisted on their own petards by just pasting the next sentence of the quote).

What is most telling is when a theorist is proven irrevocably wrong, they just ignore, go quiet for a few weeks and post the same thing again to try and start the entire top to bottom debunking a second time, hoping they'll somehow be proven right this time.

You could be ahead of the curve there due to the EU bans on certain colour tattoo ink chemicals, though paraphenylenediamine itself could be removed in the future.

Jealous of your huge brain and intellect.

While I do like a lot of your posts and you're probably smarter than me (no achievement), I dislike your demeaning utterances.

The reason I'm posting here is to have an open discourse. You don't agree, I don't agree, others don't agree...so what?

I don't like bullying tactics and people looking down on others.

Why do you 2 tag team each other and feel it is your 'job' /mission to defend populist ideals, that YOU believe in?

Whats your problem with people just discussing theories ?

1)Remember - "A theory never becomes a fact. It is an explanation of one or more facts. A well-supported evidence-based theory becomes acceptable until disproved. It never evolves to a fact.

2)Theory definition - "a formal statement of the rules on which a subject of study is based or of ideas that are suggested to explain a fact or event or, more generally, an opinion or explanation: "

I remember some years ago , before you 2 became the gate keepers, people were allowed post their point of view , their opinion about JFK, 911, Moon landings etc without having to "prove it" , etc.... without being harangued and 'bullied' about what they thought, about what they think/felt happened/didnt happen. Just post what you think happened, and have a discussion.

Questions were asked ,and you gave your explanation - Instead of the 2 gatekeepers now locking on and demanding facts to back up your theory (?? see point 1 above)

I stopped visiting the CT threads due to you 2 sucking the discussion down into your 'prove it' black hole...

Because conspiracy theories don't like giving explanations.

90% of the time they can't give them because they are only repeating things from social media and haven't thought about the theory beyond that.

The other 10% of the time they understand that any explanation they attempt would sound ridiculous or false.

In both cases they don't want to simply state that they can't offer an explanation or accept that that's an issue for the theory because it ruins the fun of the conspiracy theory

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2 point warning + 1 week form ban applied for "pulling figures out of your arse"

Lol.

I don't "tag team" with anyone. I don't feel that posting here is "a job" or "a mission". I don't know what "populist ideals" you are referring to that I believe in.

I have no problem with people discussing theories. As I've explained though, conspiracy theorists aren't interested in discussing their theories.

As I said in my last post, your premise begins with false accusations.

Where do you get your figures from?

Questions like:

"What do you believe?"

And "Why do you believe that?"

Conversation killers those alright.

But previously you were claiming that it was "demands for proof" that were the issue. You're now changing your story because this falsehood was challenged. You might want to get your story straight before complaining.

Have you considered that maybe you conspiracy theorists shouldn't be so afraid of questions?

Dont like it , do you ??

🤣🤣🤣

But you made up stats? You just threw numbers out there? 🤣🤣

Isnt that the Crazy Theorists modus operandi??

"do you not notice how I answered your question directly, concisely and clearly? Did you not notice how easy it was?"

But you just made up random stats to make your point?

So you can make up anything you want now, but its ok as it was "concise and clear" .... 🤣🤣🤣

"Oh I see. You were trying to give me a "taste of my own medicine."

Why did you put quotation marks around 'taste of my own medicine' ? Were you quoting someone? Or was it for DRAMATIC effect ....?

Why are you in this thread anyway? You arent a "Conspiracy Theorist" , are you? Is there no "Con Theory debunkers" thread ......??

POST 184 -

"90% of the time they can't give them because they are only repeating things from social media and haven't thought about the theory beyond that.

The other 10% of the time they understand that any explanation they attempt would sound ridiculous or false."

POST 191 -

Nowhere. I plucked them out of my arse as a concise rhetorical point.

There ya go ..... :) Its there in B&W , so its not so ridiculous is it?

Or is your arse a confirmed source for CT facts and figures? (probably is ...🙄 )

My question was inane ? and then you made up stats ..... 🤣

And why are you still quoting that?? Is that a 'thing' now ??