teenagers no lights

Except that you didn't say that there are more bikes without lights than cars without lights. You said there are more bikes without lights than cars without properly maintained lights.

It's nothing to do with the 'bleedin obvious', it's to do with people simply making claims to back up what they are saying that are either unprovable, or untrue. Fact is, you've no idea of the figures either way. Neither has anyone else here.

You'll no doubt come back and tell me again about how all cars have lights, but it's just deflection.

Another thread saddled with cranks and tyred old fossils.

He means distributing bad lights.

I mean they are better than nothing. Which is the point. But pretty poor at the same time.

How is it wrong to say that a cyclist can reduce their chances of of being struck by a vehicle by making themselves easier to see?

would it not be more correct to say both our points are correct, as you have simply added a new point after my comment? Unless you are just trying to be argumentative. In any case, I’d rather be a seen cyclist than a stain in the road because some unobservant driver couldn’t see me, in part thanks to a lack of lighting on my part.

when was the last time a cyclist was even killed at night? for all the talk of hi vis and lights, even without them i think most drivers can see cyclists

They are the ones I got.

I've picked up €2 lights which are better.

I'd be interested in seeing what other ones they've given out. However I assume the main issue is raising the issue rather supplying lights.

It’s not just teenagers though. It’s not on schools to educate the teenagers it’s parents. When I have my teenager in the front seat I often point out dangerous behaviour from other road users so that he can apply that knowledge when he is a pedestrian or cycling. I also tell him not to trust cars to stop a pedestrian crossings even if he as a pedestrian has right of way. Being in the right is no good to you if you get hurt.

Adults are cycling around with no lights and/or no high vis. At this time of year with the weather we have had lights are also very important in the day time. How stupid would you have to be not to. The more lit up you are the further away drivers can see you it’s not rocket science.

Is there reckless drivers who don’t take care around cyclists…yes. But many of us will happily slow down approaching a cyclist.

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Exactly. Cyclists without lights is Garda issue. It's already law.

Trying to influence teens. Well good luck with that.