Staff Shortages in Ireland.

Things will get worse in new yr.was talking to a lad the other day doing a job for me and he said he knew of at least 50 people who are emigrating.across all professions from doctors,nurses,teachers and builders.fed up with this country and being taxed to the bollix whilst other get everything for nothing.

also Eamon Ryan’s name got mentioned too as a reason for leaving.stick his green stuff where the sun doesn’t shine

Can't attract overseas workers due to the cost of housing and the lack of services. Everything is too expensive here for anyone starting off. No houses, no gp's, no schools, no public transport, expensive car insurance. The list goes on. Ireland just isn't an attractive place to come for people who want to work and make a living here.

Its across the board, through all pay scales, the sums just don't add up to come and live here.

And don't get me started on the excessive time frame caused by red tape to do business here. Plenty of people out there who want to start up or expand buisnesses being held up for ridiculous timelines by government bodies.

You can add social workers and social care workers to that list. The shortages are chronic and there isn’t any indication that it’s going to improve a

Eamon Ryan is a reason people are emigrating lol, I've heard it all now. I hope they're not going to Australia where a pro-Green government got in power not too long ago.

The CSO says more Irish people are coming home rather than leaving at the moment. I know of 2 doctors that will be returning to Ireland soon to work. Most doctors spend some years abroad working but given the high pay in Ireland and family ties etc. most want to return too.

Lots of well paid IT jobs. And a lot of these are ancillary jobs, not actually designing, producing or maintaining any software. Just heads on Zoom calls. So, loads of opportunities in this sector.

I know, I've been working in the industry for 30 years.

Ditto in banking, insurance, ...

A lot of people moving from useful work into less useful work for this reason or emigrating.

A lot of jobs that do not actually produce anything of any value. They will be automated or offshored. They are temporary. Gold rush times.

Not much use if your kid is sick, or needs an education, your plumbing is fucked, you need a house to live in, you need to get to work or a hospital appointment, you are sick ... , the road needs to be repaired, there is a fire, there is not enough police, ...

So, the country needs to decide what we really value and pay the appropriate compensation for these jobs.

There is a huge snobbery in Ireland too. People worship well paid snake oil sales men here.

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Housing is the main driver. People are forced to do work, which may not be of value to society, which they don't enjoy or are suitable for, to earn enough money to pay for a roof over their heads.

And, both parents in a family are forced to do this.

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And it's FFG who are responsible for this. We got the biggest kick in the arse, lesson learnt as a nation in 2008, and we've gone and done it all over again.

Cost of Housing is a huge issue.

Lack of rental accommodation is a huge issue

High rents is a huge issue.

You’ll always get people who will want to work in the above roles but are prohibited from doing so due to the cost of just living.

Some of those jobs such as taxi drivers chefs labourers bus drivers were traditionally done by people who had the opportunity to live in a council house for life with low rents, enabling them to have a good working life, raise a family and have a decent level of stability.

There are a lot less council homes relative to the population these days- it’s a different world and those professions just don’t pay enough to enable you to live life.

It's so funny, people blaming the greens for everything.

The reason we have problems is that little Johnny and little Mary are not going to do any useful work when they can earn loads of money opening boxes or playing Minecraft on YouTube or could be a employee diversity director in a company they makes weapons.

Or director of tax avoidance.

Loads of well paid jobs around. Just need to look.

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I’ve always been on the fence about moving back to Ireland, been living in Canada for almost 10 years now and work in software.

Plenty to move back for in terms of family, friends and it being “home”, Vancouver is also very expensive but you can get by with the volume of rentals, that’s a big draw back here with the lack of it. Price wise, it’s about the same but you’ve far more choice.

I’ve one friend who moved back this year and he is planning to move back over to Canada. He just can’t settle here or get going, he also works in construction.

It’s different for everyone of course, the pull and push of Ireland changes everyday. For some in the jobs listed about, who could blame them for wanting a better go at things and heading off.

In relation to medical staff, an ageing population, a growing population, combined with the long-term effects of previous recruitment moratoriums have combined to create a problem. The capacity of third-level to upscale provision is also an issue, particularly in relation to capital capacity and the sourcing of placements.

Well the people voted in the greens in sufficient numbers to put them in a position of power, so it's not Eamon Ryan's fault.

We have a problem with housing, a major one. Leo was on about a building boom recently but with objections, high costs and shortages of tradespeople etc. this won't happen.

We also have a retirement age that needs to be increased,because we have a huge generation of retired people who want to be served in restaurants, bars, hospitals, taxis etc. They want electricians and plumbers to work on their homes but give them a discount because they are retired.

Then families are getting smaller now so there are proportionally less young people available to work in hospitality to earn college money. Coupled with an expanding retirement cohort it's going the wrong way.

The problems are many and varied but politicians won't deal with them, the retirement age being a biggie.

Anybody can become an apprentice if you can get a tradesperson to take you on, no matter what your age. But realistically adults can't afford to live on an apprentice's wage. You'd want to be living at home with Mammy and Daddy to be able to survive on a first year's apprentice wage.

goverment should be doing more, raise wages and lower taxes.

Too many bullshít jobs

Theres too much money in bullshít jobs of no real worth, and this draws away people from the jobs society actually needs. A lot of this is related to the advertising bubble too - you can do any aul crap and get paid, not because its useful but because advertisers think that you are doing enough for them to profit.

We are now reaching a point where irish society has a big gulf in the middle, an employment no mans land. There are plenty of immigrants to take advantage of to work in bars, restaurants, deliveroo drivers. There are plenty of people with not so great college degrees working as "associate saas salesforce editor assistant to the regional manager". But there are very few people picking up building trades, taxi drivers, ambulance drivers, school teaching, gardai. Many of these jobs pay reasonably well too, they would not be considered low-end.

But because the barrier for entry is too high for the recent immigrants & language students, and those who do meet the entry requirements can get more money working in a bullshít job, these jobs go unfilled. And society suffers. And it will get much worse.

People can project their personal gripes about the Greens or tax or the dole all they want but it's all bollix.

We need people to move here to fill a lot of jobs but people can't move here because there is hardly anything in the rental market. Never mind too expensive sometimes there is nothing at all.

Were putting our hopes and dreams in TikTok now. 🤣🤣🤣

One of the easiest ways of career change would be getting a 'C' drivers license. I don't know how things are now, but 6-9mnths ago there was a massive shortage here, and in uk 1000 times worse. Theres plenty of jobs here in waste recycling companies driving bin trucks or skip trucks, roadsweepers, low loaders, recovery trucks etc

I'd agree with that.

The jobs on the OPs list have one or more of the following in common:

Dealing with Joe public

underpaid

Crap working conditions.

Doctors and nurses have all three.

That's about the same as a first year clerical worker for the government.

At least the apprentice has better prospects over time. (If the clerical workers can manage to organise the training courses the apprentice needs).

that apprenticeship path looks like bollox.

maybe the reason we lack tradespeople is that theres a learning system which is using the new entrants as cheap labor.

you can go learn theory over 3/4+ years for university science qualifications without actually ever being employed in the field, upon qualifying you'll go and apply your mad scientist level learning to multi million euro industrial output which acutely affects lives.

so why can you not do the same with plumbing, or mechanics. Go to a technical college for 2 years, learn and practice the theory in class. and then out into the field in the same manner as the science graduate ... the scientist who is doing way more complex stuff, with way higher stakes.

is it because the apprenticeship scheme is a handy way to fuk over the young, and make monkeys out of them.

before turning around and saying boo hoo we lack tradespeople, why wont they just be our slaves for a pittance over an extended time.

why are the govt poking their nose in here. if you learn something and pass the exams then you have the knowledge to do the job, why is it ok for one person to be in uni for 4 years (as their own private person) before walking out the gate and taking part responsibility for the production of volatile chemicals or medicines.

yet the other person (doing work with less potential widespread consequences) must be tied to a private business with govt monitoring over 4 years, before being allowed to take responsibility for fixing a leaky radiator.

if its a matter of quality control then fair enough, that can be dealt with, make it 6 months monitoring. 6 months tied to a previously qualified tradesperson, as a post-qualification worker. or even a year.

rather than the current king-servant design, unqualified uneducated young worker providing cheap labor to the established business. all the time under the watchful eye of govt. progressing only at a set speed to a set pattern. its not about your ability, its about your time served. aka your sentence.

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Bull

How much do you think a 16 year old who can barely tell a screwdriver from a volt meter, should be paid - a grand a week?

An apprentice is not a cheap worker - well sometime she has to be that too - but someone who is learning a trade for life and getting paid for it. Those rates don't look bad to me at all tbh.

Did I say a grand a week?

If you'd actually fking read you'd see I wasn't suggesting any pay whatsoever. Same as any other course for the most part.

"An apprentice is not a cheap worker - well sometime she has to be that too". Well which is it?

Nonsense post.

Some big brain thinking by the OP here. Maybe do a bit of research.

Doctors - a shortage eh, well lets see how many do we train a year? Answer: <200, and half are foreign students who immediately move abroad after their junior doctor stint.

Nurses: actually we have zillions, AND we pay them to train (tough **** every other type of student), the whining of course is because the INMO is the most powerful public sector union in the country.

Not enough Gardai? Well apart from all the desk jockeying the issue is not enough jail spaces for the repeat offenders. And of course state & EU sexist hiring policies meaning Ireland police force is now gender quota-ing its way to having "on the beat" male Gards having to protect their female Garda partners during arrests. As if the physical requirements weren't low enough already FFS.

Plumbers, Electricians, Labourers - Yeah construction & trades, the Irish men needed to build the country were treated so badly during the 2008 recession they left, and were encouraged to do so by the state. Now they are desperately needed again to build houses for a country that insists on pushing expensive university places over trades to its youth, while importing an unlimited no. of refugees, nearly all women and children and thus utterly dependent on state supports.

There are 100,000 men in the construction industry, what % of them are Irish anymore eh?

Hospitality - **** pay, uncertain long term prospects, not public sector so no chance of the govt giving a **** unless you own a hotel.

Taxi Drivers - Over regulated industry to keep fares high. Lots of people own and can drive cars however Taxi drivers have effectively got the govt to over regulate this industry to the point that ordinary folk cannot simply drive for Uber or their many competitors despite the fact the GPS enabled smartphones have reduced the barrier to entry. Imagine having to do a separate license and exam to be a pizza delivery driver??? And of course how long did it take for the state to make pay by card a legal right for the customer eh?

Childcare - boils down to houses being unnaffordable on 1 persons salary and so two parents need to work.

Chefs - Ireland is indeed a rich country and a lot of people (usually women, often retired public sector) love to eat well and eat out. Hence the demand.

For a lot of low paid jobs people are better off on the dole.

Some people can make 50k a year on the dole tax free if they are claiming multiple benefits.