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EU Bribery Scandal

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    #92
    xxxxxxl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005924#Comment_120005924

    So how was the EU investigating the EU ? Unless I have my wires crossed that was what was said ?



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    #93
    SafeSurfer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005596#Comment_120005596

    Do MEP’s work in the interests of their national constituents or in the interests of the EU?

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    #94
    SafeSurfer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005876#Comment_120005876

    I would have thought that all Intelligence agencies are operating in different jurisdictions. I would be confident that all the major country’s intelligence agencies would be present in a city like Brussels.

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    #95
    growleaves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005596#Comment_120005596

    Right so please produce evidence that EU-affiliated bribe takers are covertly anti-EU. For your point to have any relevance whatsoever.



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    #96
    Strazdas
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006279#Comment_120006279

    They are definitely not employees of the EU anyway - they receive a salary from the EU in their capacity as a parliamentarian. Their role is not to promote or defend the EU (but many of them would certainly be very pro-EU and would use their position to promote it and its values). But we've also seen hardcore Eurosceptics and Europhobe MEPs like Farage and his mates who were hoping and praying for the destruction of the union.



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    #97
    Peregrinus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120002627#Comment_120002627

    I repeat; so what? If member state law enforcement authorities investigate and prosecute corruption in the EU institutions, explain to me why it matters whether those authorities are part of the police force or separate agencies?



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    #98
    xxxxxxl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120012852#Comment_120012852

    Well for one the general police would not have the capabilities to monitor these types of individuals. It's high level corruption. Members of Eu institutions and Parliament.



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    #99
    Peregrinus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120012857#Comment_120012857

    Again, so what? The issue is whether national law enforcement agencies can effectively investigate and act against corruption in the EU institutions, or does the EU need its own enforcement agency. If the police have the required resources and are willing to deploy them, or if the intelligence services have the required resources and are willing to deploy them, or if the police and the intelligence services in combination have the required resources and are willing to deploy them, the answer in every case would seem to be the same.



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    #100
    SafeSurfer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120012878#Comment_120012878

    What is the answer?

    State intelligence agencies can cooperate but they also compete. Police forces are ill equipped to investigate international political corruption. Surely diplomatic immunity is a barrier where foreign diplomats, officials are involved.

    Intelligence services protect and pursue national interests. Are they best places to expose fraud or corruption or illegal activity that benefits their own state? Probably not.

    The intelligence services of EU member states operate in self interest such as the French bombing of The Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior and the murder of a photographer.

    Fraud at an EU level is probably more difficult to detect because there is no dedicated service tasked with its detection. Whether an EU anti corruption bureau would be politically palatable is another question.

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    #101
    Dyr
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120013393#Comment_120013393

    It's almost like investing powers and budgets in institutions that are beyond the structures of nation states is a recipe for corruption

    It's shocking, given the sterling track record of similar bodies like the UN, the Olympic committee, the WHO and FIFA....



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