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"Nobody cares about Covid anymore"

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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If our health service didn't bother to do cancer screening then that's on them for being incompetent as always.

    Hospital numbers were extremely low for most of the pandemic.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't think we'll be returning to restrictions like that ever again tbh. There's no logical reason why we would. A few sane precautions here and there, particularly in crammed spaces might still be advisable to avoid disruptive outbreaks of people being sick, but I think it's very much a case now of living with it. We don't have any option in that regard because it can't be eliminated entirely.

    I do think we need a discussion about curtailing the use of emergency powers type legislations and having more definition and about scope and particularly in an Irish context their duration.

    Some of it genuinely was too draconian, even if it had public support and I think that's a discussion to be had when the dust has ultimately settled. Ireland's not unique in that either, there were some rather extreme responses that in hindsight were questionable. Ireland did a lot of halfassed measures that dragged on for way too long, mostly with not very much enforcement, beyond the original lockdowns. Other countries had far more draconian enforcement which I would also question - pragmatism went out the window in a lot of places.

    I think in an Irish context, emergency powers could, for example, be passed by the government, but should be subject to constantly needing to be justified to an independent body, and perhaps the Supreme Court. I don't think it should be purely a political decision to retain them and the default should be they automatically cancel after a short period of time (maybe 2 weeks).

    It has definitely improved to a far better situation and I think there will probably be a lot more breakthroughs in the months and years ahead on things like more effective SARS-Cov-2, SARS and coronavirus targeting antivirals, and very probably also improvements in the vaccines, which might ultimately be what really puts this very, very firmly into the rearview mirror and history books as that grim few years in the 2020s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I spent six days in hospital in July 2020 , place was empty for the most part



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Was the same for me in Jan 2021 when hospitals were supposedly overwhelmed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl



    So we are gone from pretty nasty commentary from you and others about " only people on deaths door dying of Covid " to an outright slur on the health service without anything to back it up ?

    You know I know all the failings of the health service and I do agree cancer screening should have and could have been opened up sooner, but some impact during a worldwide pandemic was inevitable .

    Some of the healthcare staff you are slagging off, died and became ill trying to look after people with Covid before we had any vaccinations . . This was the perceived risk that halted work by allied health professionals in the areas of " screening " of healthy people , which is not deemed " cancer care " . There is a difference.

    One is diagnosed and immediate risk, the other is not diagnosed and may not be diagnosed ever.

    That screening should have been restarted sooner in private hospitals and upscaled to catch up .

    I have posted this before when it became apparent those private facilities were going to waste and also less acute hospitals around the country that had fewer Covid cases . They did restart once vaccinated but people refused to come for screening their droves for a long time . This has been documented and presented on the main Covid thread where you were , so unless you weren't reading anyone else's posts ( a possibility , granted ) you should know that

    This " incompetence " as you put it belongs at the door of those that managed the health service ,Minister for Health and Heads of the HSE . It was in their purview to escalate screening at any time once the levels of community transmission started to drop . And this was called for by those working in those areas .

    The fact that you row in slating the health services in general while at the same time denigrating any mitigation measures just proves my point about some posters strawmanning about cancer care and speaks to your lack of understanding even after all this time on the Covid forums .

    I hear people talking about learning from the pandemic ...that goes both ways .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,774 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I work for the HSE and got my COVID and Flu vaccines last week. There's a big push by senior management to encourage staff to get vaccinated but the staff uptake of the latest vaccine booster is at levels far below what it was when the vaccine was first introduced.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    There are several studies that show it reduces the spread of the disease, even our own modellers in UCD had data showing it. If you want me to do a peer reviewed link dump I will but your statement if false. There are multiple large scale studies showing it. It takes a few weeks to work due to many factors. There was no proof at the beginning but there was historical evidence that it might be a very useful tool from previous outbreaks and pandemics. In a relatively short space of time it was shown that this choice was incredibly effective



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,543 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    And now the good old story of the man dying of covid on a ladder and hospitals really being empty all along, so much nostalgic arguments....



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I think it will be a thing for the vulnerable groups as the present virus is milder and a lot of people have had recent infections with Omicron .

    It's as it ever was with the flu vaccine..



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Must have been in the axxehxle of nowhere then with all acute cases transferred.

    Lucky for you. That would not be my recollection, but then I am in Dublin.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Mistakes are made in every shape of life and people accepting and learning from mistakes are what make the world a better place.

    A lessons learned conversation will have the country better prepared for any future pandemic.

    It's ironic that the people who were hysterical and obsessed with covid are now happy to move on.

    They weren't happy to move on when the rest of the world was moved on and they were cheering on lockdowns while other countries got on with life.

    I mean why would any irish citizen not want a lessons learned exercise which would be beneficial for a future pandemic.

    The only reason I can think of is because they are embarrassed of the nonsense rules they cheered on.

    You tell me why we should not have a lessons learned exercise?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    First part of this sentence is conspiracy theory stuff

    It's a comment. Feel free to discuss it, and point out where the conspiracy is in it. Something can be draconian without there being a conspiracy.

    and the second is untrue. Polls showed a majority of people supported the measures.

    In your opinion. I met a small but vocal minority who fully supported all the measures without question, and a small group who disagreed from early on. Most people supported all the early measures - but as time went on, people began to attend demonstrations against them. I was in the large group in the middle who went along with the measures, initially believeing that the experts knew what was best. But the longer they went on and the more questions arose as to the effectiveness of the various measures, I slowly moved to question them too. On the basis of available information, not on the basis of Trump and his alt-right friends' antics.

    Today, there are plenty of questions that still haven't received clear answers. But to end this response, whether or not a majority of the population go along with a particular policy is not a measure of whether or not it is resented. In this case, as far as I could see, a head of steam was building up. Just today I was speaking to an acquaintance who initially went along with the measures despite the disruption to their small retail business. After a year and a half of lockdowns and what-not they got vaccinated in order to visit a family member abroad. Having reacted to both the second dose and the first booster dose, they have decided that enough is enough, and they won't be having any more. In my experience there are plenty of people in a similar situation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Nonsense. Hospitals were emptied and whole departments closed for a very long time expecting surge of patients which never come in addition to the fact that people were required to wear mask, restricted socialising and all.

    Hospitals were ghost towns with exception of A&E which is like mad house any time of the year pandemic or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I 100% agree this should happen and should be happening at an ongoing situation. Shouldn't need a tribunal or whatever to be set up. The thing is there is a certain cohort of people who want these comitees or tribunals set up not to learn, not to realise what we got wrong and how to improve (increase capacity a major one) but to blame to get there pound of flesh and damn what we can learn



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    You sure your reading this thread as nothing like that in this threD. People mostly talking about the past but agreeing it is time to live. The mast mast majority are having a civil conversations but then we get a beaut like yourself who just come in to name call those you had disagreed with you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,619 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's not a highly infectious novel virus with a relatively high CFR (and higher rate of hospitalisation than other respiratory diseases) anymore thanks to vaccines and (unfortunately) infections thus measures for a novel virus aren't really needed anymore.

    Masks in health settings are always a good idea, nice to see it's sticking around (and some of the usual not understanding them again despite all data to the contrary). R number and modelling was used for the rules and (some of the usual will fizz at this) were relatively accurate, when followed (I.e. when politicians didn't switch them around for things like a meaningful Christmas or then get so spooked that they dragged out reopening forever).

    If the virus mutates or another novel virus with similar characteristics comes along, the play book will be the same as scientists figure it out (and I'd bet on a vaccine being available faster) but hopefully that's ~100 years+ away when everyone on the thread will be long dead (and some will be seething about lockdowns and masks till their graves).

    One thing to note (and I was exactly right on this, winning a bet with an anti-vaxxer in the process) as soon as Omicron was realised to be like the original variant and not delta, restrictions rapidly disappeared, but, it took a few careful weeks to verify that with Omicron. Delta was a nasty variant that extending the whole thing by about 6 months and killed disproportionately on other continents that were slow to vaccinate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I suggest you read the thread again people are talking about the past at the height of it. Most is in relation to people trying to convince masks are useless and when people come backwith so why do people in medicine use it they get I meant using it properly. Any comment on now is its right to wear in medical settings or if you want then that's there choice



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Don't forget that they were so quiet they had spare time to make dancing videos to cheer us up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    covid is in the rear view mirror for most people, I most certainly don't care about it, and these days I don't hear people fretting about it.

    There are a few die hards who are twitching to get us all masked up again, but I think they'll be ignored by the powers that be. Even pharmacies don't bother with the mask "rules", even though they aren't rules, just suggestions.

    The only holdouts are doctors, dentists, opticians, hospitals, etc, everywhere else is business as normal thankfully.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    There's no need for lockdowns or restrictions since most people are vaxxed anyway we had to go back to normal in order to have a healthy economy

    if you are old or vunerable you should continue to wear a mask on bus,s. in shops anywhere that might be crowded



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I just find it strange about the people who were pro restrictions because we had to protect the health service.

    They are now the crowd saying we should move on.

    Should these people not be calling for a lessons learned so we can improve the health service.

    I am sure there are some people who just want blame others.

    But ultimately we had fathers not allowed to see kids being born, people not allowed say goodbye to family members, kids forced to wear masks, business decimated and cancer screenings cancelled, suicides and I am sure many more things I am leaving out.

    The people who made these decisions should face a tribunal to explain their decisions.

    To explain the science behind the decisions that negatively impacted peoples lives for 2 years and why they were more severe than other countries.

    Why would any citizen of Ireland be against asking questions and learning for any future pandemics?



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Because what happened in the past, stays in the past. Nothing to see here, move along quickly please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,098 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I hear the HSE recommending mask wearing this morning on public transport and in congested indoor areas like supermarkets etc. Numbers up in hospitals etc. Not sure if the term 'die hard' is appropriate though :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    No one is looking for lockdowns anymore some people looking for stuff is not there to complain more about covid as its what they did for 2 years and felt important



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭martingriff




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,938 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Fathers weren't allowed to see their kids being born because it was in a sensitive environment during a pandemic, a hospital. We had large numbers of hospital staff sick with Covid or dying from it (it's estimated over 80,000 doctors and health staff, globally, died from the disease) which made hospital interactions difficult and put immense strain on an already strained health system. Just because we have vaccines now, more herd immunity now, better understanding now, the luxury of hindsight now, doesn't mean we had these benefits earlier in the crisis.

    Some people have incredibly short memories of all this, or very selective ones. No one liked the measures or the lockdowns, I have plenty of personal grievances, but I understood why they were there. I understood why we made them at the time with the information we had at the time.

    The majority of the public supported the measures. Every modern government implemented them, some more severe than here, some less so. This was a learning process, pandemics on this scale don't occur often, the last similar one was in 1918, over 100 years ago, and we had masks, social distancing, lock-downs and measures back then.

    If you have personal grievances, fine, but the world doesn't need to have tribunals because you have them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8958309/Builder-51-died-falling-10ft-ladder-killed-coronavirus.html



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  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭Guess_Who


    That comes across as exceptionally callous.

    I think questions do need to be asked about why a number of people in positions of power were allowed flout the rules while ordinary citizens were restricted from attending funerals/births etc.

    Yes, it was an exceptional time, but I think, with the benefit of hindsight, we should look very closely at the mistakes that were made and also into the people who were making those decisions.

    But your response seems to indicate that we should just shrug it off as if "well them's the breaks. Nothing to see here".



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