Twitter now free to discuss the role of Fauci in the alleged cover-up around COVID vaccine safety.

King Mob · 17-12-2022 4:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007665#Comment_120007665

No, it's not tracking him. To pretend it is requires you to be massively dishonest or completely duped by this conartist. I think you lean more to dishonesty frankly.

You believe that twitter was wrong to ban people who were spreading anti-vaxxer propaganda. You believe that Musk was write to ban journalists who criticized him for no real reason.

This is hypocritical.

Your claim that the vaccines are more harmful than the virus is not supported by any evidence. You are simply lying.

King Mob · 17-12-2022 4:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007673#Comment_120007673

And right on cue, you are claiming that all evidence that shows the safety of the vaccine is false.

This is false and it's an extreme, very silly conspiracy theory on the level of claiming the moon landing was faked.

odyssey06 · 17-12-2022 4:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007665#Comment_120007665

You can't tell the difference between a plane and a person??? It's not tracking him.

Well you certainly can't assume what you read is true in any of your posts, that's for sure. They are exercises in misinformation.

Your claims about propaganda ring hollow when at the same time you swallow whatever weasel words Musk puts out and repost them here.

It is completely different. Pre-Musk Twitter had rules of content which they followed and applied. Now it is Musk doing whatever he wants to do. including banning and ghosting accounts he doesn't like personally. To present them as the same, morally or intellectually, is without merit or foundation.

Igotadose · 17-12-2022 4:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007673#Comment_120007673

No, it uses a drawing of a guy with a reflective mirror in a white tunic. No doctors are represented in that ad nor quoted. Did you zoom in and read that ad?

Try harder.

odyssey06 · 17-12-2022 4:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007673#Comment_120007673

Talk about an argument jumping the shark.

17-12-2022 4:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007741#Comment_120007741

It is an image of a man who looks like a doctor, that is the point!

King Mob · 17-12-2022 4:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007765#Comment_120007765

So what is your point now? That all doctors and experts who don't accept your silly conspiracy views are all fake? Crisis actors perhaps?

King Mob · 17-12-2022 4:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007744#Comment_120007744

Seen worse. Once an anti-vaxxer posted an image of a smoking propaganda poster from Bioshock thinking it was real.

robinph · 17-12-2022 5:46pm

Banning the twitter account which posted the jet location does nothing whatsoever to hide the location of the jet. Just means that the location doesn't appear on twitter, it's still freely available information and available on flight tracking websites, and now has its own dedicated sub Reddit.

All the twitter account did was show the location for people who didn't want to open another tab on their browser and Google it themselves.

Spudman_20000 · 19-12-2022 9:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007277#Comment_120007277

Except many countries are not recommending boosters for healthy people under 50. Certainly some health authorities feel the risk/reward ratio does not weigh in favour of boosting those who are less at risk.

odyssey06 · 19-12-2022 9:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120013193#Comment_120013193

I don't think the poster was talking about boosters though?

And the risk versus virus is different for someone vaccinated (unboosted) versus unvaccinated. They are recommending initial vaccination course.

King Mob · 19-12-2022 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120013193#Comment_120013193

Which of these countries say that the risks of the vaccine are higher than those of the virus?

Which of these countries claim the other things being claimed by conspiracy theorists like the notion that the vaccines are killing 10s of millions of people?

Or what Dolan is claiming in that all doctors who support the vaccines are fake.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 12:27pm

The only reason to advise healthy people under 50 against taking boosters is that the benefits do not outweigh the risks.

Pat Kenny was getting hot under the collar this morning that the current situation is NIAC would rather see unused vaccines be poured down the sink rather than allow under 50s to take them.

He seems to have forgotten the mantra about following the experts advice.

King Mob · 19-12-2022 12:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120013895#Comment_120013895

But the issue you're jumping in to defend was the claim that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus.

Which is false.

Just like the claim that the vaccines are killing millions or 10s of millions of people like you've suggested previously.

Just like the claim that all doctors who support vaccination are fake or are somehow equivalent to promoting smoking.

19-12-2022 12:39pm

I’ve assessed that this is *checks notes* utter bollox.

Elon Musk has done nothing but talk absolute shite for months. Sitting at the edge of your seat waiting to hear what he has to say? Couldn’t be me.

19-12-2022 12:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120013895#Comment_120013895

He wasn’t hot under the collar to be fair, I listened to that segment and it was a more than fair question. Which was; why are vaccines being tossed in the bin rather than given to folks who are not on “the list”. If there’s people outside of the ones presently “eligible” for a booster, we have more than we need, why not?

I really don’t understand why no one seems to care about the money that’s being thrown down the sink when vaccines are unused and expire.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 12:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120013975#Comment_120013975

Because NIAC has recommended they are not to be given to healthy people under 50.

Giving medicine to people solely because you want to avoid throwing the medicine away is not exactly a model of patient led health care.

19-12-2022 1:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014015#Comment_120014015

Yes that’s their current recommendation however at their behest they could easily alter same to include the aforementioned scenario.

I’m going to hazard a guess that a vaccine which couldn’t be given to the population fast enough a year ago is somehow a detriment to peoples health now.

Like was mentioned also the vaccine clinics etc are ghost towns. I suppose my overarching point here is the government either needs to

stop buying so many vaccines if we’re binning a great number of them over expiring
start offering them more widely when there’s vaccines which are due to expire soon

im well aware we can’t save every medication manufactured from the garbage, but we can help reduce waste with some clever thinking. reminds me of last year I sought out the flu shot a bit too late and was told they were all expired already. My GP could’ve rang me and told me this was happening I’d have made my way in sooner!

They could have contacted patients or put a sign on the door even to let people know “hey, we have a hape of flu shots here about to go off, come on in!”.

Now, that said, I’m not a doctor or scientist so I may be missing something here that’s a key element in this decision, but I just don’t see a major negative to giving folks outside a certain cohort a shot if it’s going to the bin otherwise. I was to understand that limiting the crowd who will get one is meant to keep supplies and demand in order so they don’t end up swarmed.

Mind you I feel like they could open vaccines to all tomorrow morning and they wouldn’t see much of a spike in visitors.

sydthebeat · 19-12-2022 1:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014015#Comment_120014015

Because NIAC has recommended they are not to be given to healthy people under 50.

well that's lies.

NIAC has certainly NOT recommended they 'not be given to healthy under 50s.'

they said it wasnt needed to sustain protection. There is NO MENTION AT ALL of the risks of the vaccine outweighing the risks to healthy under 50s.

your anti vaxx bias is shining through again.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 1:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014065#Comment_120014065

And of course you're free to hazard whatever guesses you wish, but I think it's good to see that those with the responsibility for the decision err on the side of caution. Better late than never.

bad2thebone · 19-12-2022 1:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120013975#Comment_120013975

Well the pharma industry doesn't give a toss, they made their money . And dare you question it.

They did their best with marketing campaigns and instilling fear in some and guilt shaming others etc

I'd say the pharma investor's made a huge amount of money from the vaccines and there was a monumental money transfer throughout the pandemic.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 1:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014101#Comment_120014101

Whether you have a pro-vaxx or anti-vaxx bias it is inarguable that if you are healthy under 50 and you wish to get a second booster, you are currently unable to do to so, because it is contra to NIAC's recommendations.

GreeBo · 19-12-2022 1:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014155#Comment_120014155

There is a significant difference between saying you don't need to take something vs you shouldn't take something.

The avoidance of a recommendation is not the same thing as an recommendation of avoidance.

sydthebeat · 19-12-2022 1:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014155#Comment_120014155

LOL keep rolling back there, eventually you'll get to the truth.

NIAC have determined a second booster is not warranted for healthy under 50s, therefore there is no free nationwide roll out.

interestingly if you are healthy and under 50 but a health care worker they are recommending to get the booster jab.

So theres obviously no increased risk of the vaccine compared to the virus for these people.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 2:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014311#Comment_120014311

The risks are weighed up relative to the benefits of the vaccine, not just the risks of getting the virus.

Presumably they think the benefits outweigh the risks for healthcare workers. But not other under 50s.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 2:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014261#Comment_120014261

Sure.

So if you're a healthy 30 year old who wants to take another booster you will be told you don't need it.

And whilst maybe you won't be told you should not take it, you will be told that you cannot take it.

King Mob · 19-12-2022 2:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014373#Comment_120014373

But again, the claim you've inserted yourself into to defend was that the vaccines were more dangerous than the virus.

You are also claiming that the vaccine is potentially killing millions of people, so it's ridiculous to suggest that you are arguing a matter of a slight difference or cost/benefit.

19-12-2022 2:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014311#Comment_120014311

But the healthcare workers are not doing so, they obviously have good reasons to refuse the boosters.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 2:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014399#Comment_120014399

Total nonsense. This kind of stuff is why you are ignored.

The claim I am concurring with is Spudmans:

Except many countries are not recommending boosters for healthy people under 50. Certainly some health authorities feel the risk/reward ratio does not weigh in favour of boosting those who are less at risk.

Quite clearly if health authorities are disallowing boosters for some cohorts then they feel the risk/reward ratio does not weigh in favour of boosting those cohorts.

King Mob · 19-12-2022 2:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014441#Comment_120014441

So ok, you disagree with the OP of the thread who claimed that the vaccines were more dangerous than the virus.

Cool.

However this doesn't address the fact you claimed that the vaccine was potentially killing 10s of millions of people in secret.

bmc58 · 19-12-2022 2:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119987881#Comment_119987881

The truth is hard to accept for some whatever the evidence.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 2:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014450#Comment_120014450

However this doesn't address the fact you claimed that the vaccine was potentially killing 10s of millions of people in secret.

And I guess you can quote this claim I made? Or are you just making stuff up again?

King Mob · 19-12-2022 2:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014484#Comment_120014484

Nope.

So then you agree that the vaccine isn't killing millions of people. Is that correct?

joe40 · 19-12-2022 2:40pm

"Twitter now free to discuss the role of Fauci in the alleged cover-up around COVID vaccine safety".

So to get back to the OP. Where is the discussion? Its been a weeek since Elon's tweet, what juicy details does he have ?

19-12-2022 2:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014517#Comment_120014517

Nothing. Just like everything else he’s said in the last while, it’s without any substance or should be laughed at (or both).

Elon Musk seems to know everything if he’s to be believed. Between having the goss on covid conspiracies to knowing exactly how to end the war, he’s a bastion of knowledge that fella.

no, sorry, he’s a crackpot is what I meant.

King Mob · 19-12-2022 2:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014517#Comment_120014517

Too busy being a hypocrite and clamping down on people's free speech that he personally doesn't like.

He had nothing. And given conspiracy theorists now have to cling to the phrasing of HSE statements to prove there's a conspiracy, there was never anything in the first place.

hometruths · 19-12-2022 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014507#Comment_120014507

As I have said before, I have no idea how many people have died as a result of the vaccine.

Whatever that figure is, it is totally irrelevant to my post that you quoted about NIACs recommendation about boosters.

As I said earlier, this is why you are ignored by so many (and why you are banned from the other thread).

You quote a post that you have no interest in debating or discussing, and instead of addressing the point in the post you quoted, you just fabricate some totally irrelevant claim to try and deflect/divert/discredit/derail.

This brief exchange is a classic example. It's just relentless trolling.

King Mob · 19-12-2022 2:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014543#Comment_120014543

And you've avoided my question.

"You don't know how many people the virus killed." So potentially it could have killed 10s of millions. Right?

So my initial comment was actually correct despite your protests. You believe that the vaccines have potentially 10s millions of people.

(Again, if this isn't the case, it would be very simple for you to just state your position clearly.)

This is highly relevant to your points and to this thread, because if you believe that the vaccine has potentially killed millions then this means that there is a giant global cover up. And that any word games about statements from people who are part of this conspiracy aren't really meaningful.

If the reason the NIAC recommended as it did because they have secret information about the millions of people who secretly died from the vaccine rather than the actual cost benefit analysis, that changes things a bit.

20-12-2022 10:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120014517#Comment_120014517

May not be directly covid or Fauci related, but he is dropping stuff that should be concerning with respect to what "facts" are allowed to be in the public domain.

King Mob · 20-12-2022 10:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019970#Comment_120019970

So why hasn't he dropped it?

How many times does he have to fail at doing so before you stop trusting him?

Or are you just that desperate for there to be a conspiracy?

20-12-2022 11:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019988#Comment_120019988

Ask him yourself, anyway, what makes you think I actually trust him, that's in your imagination.

Don't forget where this thread is!

If he delivers and there is an element of truth in it then we'll see.

King Mob · 20-12-2022 11:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020217#Comment_120020217

So ok. You can't explain why he hasn't dropped the information then.

Then you'll agree it's most likely cause he's talking out of his ass like all the times before.

If you don't trust him, why do you keep posting these comment as if there is something to them?

Why think that there's something to them when there's absolutely no reason to and every reason against? That kinda sounds more like a desperate blind faith to me.

Also why do you mean by "don't forget where this thread is"?

Are you suggesting that the conspiracy theory forum is for making up false stories?

21-12-2022 9:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020238#Comment_120020238

You're wasting your breath, you're now ignored as you can't discuss the subject without attacking the poster.

King Mob · 21-12-2022 9:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020911#Comment_120020911

No, I attacked no one.

You're simply making excuses to ignore points and questions you aren't willing to answer.

Not sure why you anti-vaxxers think this fools anyone.

bad2thebone · 21-12-2022 9:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019970#Comment_120019970

I say let him drop as much truth as possible. I'm not on Twitter myself. But if he's going to expose corruption, lies and people in high places warping reality. Well good luck to him.

As they say the truth set's you free...

bad2thebone · 21-12-2022 10:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120013895#Comment_120013895

Those things should be incinerated at such a temperature they'll not even vaporize. Throw them into lava or something... Who's to know how lethal they are if they're poured out.

CramCycle · 21-12-2022 10:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119988027#Comment_119988027

I used to leave mine on for the cycle home as it kept my face warm when it was cold. People would look at you like you were stupid but it done the job nicely.

astrofool · 21-12-2022 10:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020984#Comment_120020984

Ah, c'mon, you're not even trying to be sanely reasonable anymore, at least you can drop any pretence across threads.

Elon is driving clicks and engagement, that's all he's interested in, he'll string people along as long as they keep engaging on it.

King Mob · 21-12-2022 10:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021108#Comment_120021108

I always find it funny that conspiracy theorists constantly tell us how they're "awake" and "question everything" and "know how the mainstream media work." Yet we keep seeing in threads like this how they don't seem to have any awareness of how media and grifters can manipulate people for attention. Even when it's so blatant as Musk's nonsense.

I think in some cases on this thread, it's more a deliberate ignorance because some antivaxxers are just desperate for something to support their beliefs, but now that they can't fully get behind the claims. Which is why we're seeing all this "I'm just waiting to see if there's something to it" shite.

bad2thebone · 21-12-2022 10:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021108#Comment_120021108

What, Astro no need to be suggesting that I'm unreasonable and my sanity is skewed.

We're getting along better than we used to. No need for the digs bud.

Take me out of it and stick with the subject matter.

Go again...

Twitter now free to discuss the role of Fauci in the alleged cover-up around COVID vaccine safety.

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