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francois · 21-12-2022 7:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020404#Comment_120020404

What class of crap does this fall under?

Jackiebt · 21-12-2022 9:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020175#Comment_120020175

This conflict has really shown the power of modern propaganda. The levels of delusion in this thread are truly astonishing. People having serious conversations about how Putin and his family will flee to Switzerland when the Russians are defeated. You are absolutely right, it's the Ukrainian people that will suffer the consequences of this mass delusion.

Boggles · 21-12-2022 9:34am

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Lol.

Of course he should go. He gets to meet with congress and the President.

Meanwhile the 5d chess master is meeting with this cartoon.

21-12-2022 9:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020661#Comment_120020661

Ah, the gusto of a new recruit...

You're in for a hard sell here buddy.

Furze99 · 21-12-2022 10:41am

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Objectively speaking, the only people who should decide where the borders lie is Ukraine, it's citizens and army. If you think that those who support Ukraine in it's stated goals are deluded, then you are equally deluded in seeking to undermine their stated goals.

charlie_says · 21-12-2022 10:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020424#Comment_120020424

Not so sure about the part where he will do what he wishes, heis going to beg and as media spetacle before the house of reps changes, his situation is desperate so he'll do and try anything.

Did you read the interview in the Economist from his top general? He says unless he gets a huge number of heavy equipment, equal to entire army of medium sized EU state, he may have to address his troops to announce that Ukraine would likely lose. He, remember the top general, said that they would be facing an additional 200k combat troops as the Russian mobilization was "a success" in his own words.

Strangely that interview seems to have gone unnoticed or largely ignored in many publications.

Cordell · 21-12-2022 10:52am

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They will suffer more if they concede anything. If they stop fighting the people in the occupied regions will have no one to defend them against civilian mass graves, ethnic cleansing and children rapists.

crusd · 21-12-2022 11:07am

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It is clear that it is the Russian people that have been the subject of mass delusions used to maintain the illusion of competence from Putin and his kleptocracy. And our course you lickspittles

Bass Reeves · 21-12-2022 11:13am

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I not too sure about 200k combat ready troops. What are they going to arm them with rusty Mosin rifles, PPSh-41 or maybe a few sticks with bayonets tied to the end of them

There is only one counter offensive coming and that is by the UA.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020661#Comment_120020661

I am not sure if Putin will get the chance to flee. I do not think the Swiss will take him. There is only one winner here. The Russian economy is collapsing further.

The two biggest economic blocks are slowly squeezing the life out of Russia as they provide the military aid to Ukraine to defeat them.

weisses · 21-12-2022 11:54am

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Ukraine is fighting the war for the US ... they will keep ukraine on a slow but steady drip of material ... enough to hold back the Russians .. but not enough to go on a proper offensive... end result will be a toothless Russia without one single American soldier lost... geopolitics at its finest

Francie Barrett · 21-12-2022 11:57am

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No one thinks the US are supporting Ukraine out of altruism. The primary goal of the US here is to stop Russia from winning. If Russia win, that will embolden them to take further agressive action in the future, as well as China and other nations. That wider threat to American interests doesn't go away just because an election is on.

housetypeb · 21-12-2022 12:32pm

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Putin doesn't give two **** about the Russian people, He's just a thug who has enriched himself and his inner circle at the expense of the people who can't even protest about it. You live in a dictatorship and yet think you're free.

farmingquestion · 21-12-2022 12:42pm

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Russia doesn't want to invade the rest of Europe. The only reason they invaded Ukraine is because Ukraine were going to buddy up with the EU and Ukraine being vital in terms of resources, they couldn't let this happen. Ukraines oil reserves are massive, not to mention everything else. They're vital to the world economy.

There's a reason the EU are so desperate to support Ukraine and it's not for humanitarian reasons.

If anyone thinks the EU would support the likes of Georgia or Albania in the same was as Ukraine they are deluded.

The EU is only out for themselves. Europe and US says "we'll support Ukraine as long as it takes" yet they didn't do the same for Afghanistan. They abandoned the Afghans.

housetypeb · 21-12-2022 12:49pm

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My neighbor has a lovely car for sale, think I'm just going to take it so he can't sell it elsewhere.

21-12-2022 12:57pm

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At the risk of being crude, that's like a rapist saying 'I didn't want to rape her, but she was too sexy'. A ridiculous argument.

odyssey06 · 21-12-2022 12:58pm

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The Ukranian army stood and fought and was supported by its government. And vice versa.

Cant support an army that isnt there.

And the vast majority of Ukranians want democratic government and alignment with the West.

Ukraine has received a lot of support from its neighbours, ex USSR colonies who remember the USSR and dont want a Russian trojan horse on their borders.

The stakes are higher with Ukraine and the support can make a difference.

That is why it is different to Georgia or Afghanistan.

mikewest · 21-12-2022 1:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021407#Comment_120021407

Probably the best summary of Russian motivation possible

farmingquestion · 21-12-2022 1:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021419#Comment_120021419

https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/

Yep, here you go.

Ukraine today holds the second biggest known gas reserves in Europe. As of late 2019, known Ukrainian reserves amounted to 1.09 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, second only to Norway’s known resources of 1.53 trillion cubic meters.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/why-the-black-sea-could-emerge-as-the-worlds-next-great-energy-battleground/

The exact volumes of gas currently lying deep underneath the Black Sea are not yet known. Rough estimates predict that the Ukrainian shelf may contain more than two trillion cubic meters of gas. The exact figure is yet to be determined since two-thirds of the country’s maritime area passed to de facto Russian control following Moscow’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014.

It's all about oil and the power it brings. The EU suckling on the tit of Ukraine would mean Russia loses power and money. Do you think it's just a coincidence the two areas that Russia aimed for first were the Donbas (massive oil potential) and Crimea (Black Sea - huge potential of oil)

machiavellianme · 21-12-2022 1:06pm

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Why would the EU do anything for Afghanistan? Apart from the humanitarian aid provided during atrocities? Last I checked, its not in Europe and unlikely to be joining the EU anytime soon?

Francie Barrett · 21-12-2022 1:12pm

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I had previously made a number of points similar to what General Zaluzhny made. There is going to be nothing easy about Ukraine liberating occupied lands. What really worries me is all the time that Russia have had for fortify and entrench themselves in Ukrainian territory. People here can laugh all they want, but there's going to be nothing easy about Ukrainian forces attacking multiple lines of Russian trenches with minefields, obstacles and strongpoints filled with machine guns and anti-tank fire.

This shouldn't need to be said, but the above isn't a hope/prediction of a Russian win.

opinionated3 · 21-12-2022 1:13pm

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Afghan "men" and their tribes are the reason Afghanistan is in the state it's in. Not to mention their cruel interpretation of Islam. The west gave them everything they possibly could materially, and they still chickened out of the fight, unlike the brave men and women of Ukraine. Your can't help those who don't want to help themselves.

Hobgoblin11 · 21-12-2022 1:22pm

Putin at the meeting of Russian military: all information about NATO forces and measures should be studied and used to develop Russian Armed Forces

https://t.me/bbbreaking/144171

Furze99 · 21-12-2022 1:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021494#Comment_120021494

They can only occupy this fortified territory to the extent that they can keep their supply lines open to same. This is surely the Ukrainian political play, give us more destructive weapons with longer ranges, help us with intelligence and we'll do the job. They will need to put boots on the ground but only after they have severely depleted Russian capabilities & morale. The 'West' has to go along with this, having gone this far in rightfully supporting Ukraine. Isn't this how Ukraine has managed the war so far and it's getting results.

Beasty · 21-12-2022 1:43pm

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And this is a thread about Russia and its war in Ukraine - not Afghanistan

cnocbui · 21-12-2022 1:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021520#Comment_120021520

He continues to be a strategic genius, emphasising the study of a non enemy they aren't fighting, instead of the unwilling enemy they actually are fighting.

Rawr · 21-12-2022 1:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021624#Comment_120021624

Also:

"all information about NATO forces and measures should be studied"

Are they actually suggesting that they haven't been doing this already?

Strumms · 21-12-2022 2:22pm

In my own opinion I think unless Putin was to drop dead / be taken out…. I genuinely think the world is on a path to WW3.

Putin has the backing of China, they’ve conducted joint military exercises this week and possibly the backing of India who have been tacitly supporting him for afar.

Also Medvedev and Xi met about three hours ago in Beijing.

So really, it’s maybe about time the heads were cut off the snakes… before the west finds itself so far behind the 8 ball.

problem is in Biden you have a guy who is proven as at best a ‘reactive’ president…a man who looks like he doesn’t always want to be there…preparing to make the odd tough decision im sure was his thinking but the most challenging era in world politics since possibly the start of WW2 in 1939. Fine and dandy kissing babies and shaking hands but he even avoids confrontation, avoids looking strong, shirks tough but pertinent questioning… the look of a man thinking … “ I didn’t sign up for this, can I not be opening a tennis court ? “..and brushing off serious questions form the press with humour.

No way in hell come November 2024 he’ll get re-elected…his approval ratings as of the beginning of this month are the second lowest for a post WW2 president.

I wouldn’t have any faith in him. He’s got the facade of a weak, doddery old reactive, do nothing dinosaur. I said it at the time though, the Americans were left with feck all in the way of choice, Trump, an unstable megalomaniac vs the above….

In Britain you have a 42 year old inexperienced Rishi Sunak and no real volume of nouse, experience or influence.

Gatling · 21-12-2022 2:27pm

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Drone's, HiMars, armoured vehicles will make it easier than what's been predicted,it was said about karkhiv, Kherson bakhmut,and kreminna,

And look how that's worked out for the highly entrenched russian soldiers,

Not sure those trenches being dug on the beaches of Crimea are going to help much other than predug mass Graves for Russians

Strazdas · 21-12-2022 2:39pm

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Russia is not an ally of China - it is a mere glove puppet for the Chinese. China is ten times bigger and simply doesn't need the fascist state. Even the Russian public are very wary of the Chinese and don't see them as friends or allies.

johnnyskeleton · 21-12-2022 2:40pm

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Well the strategy is to liberate Zaphorizhzhia by avoiding the fortified areas and use maneuver troops to encircle and cut off the fortified areas and towns such as Melitopol to force the Russians surrender. Russia does not have enough troops to have a properly fortified line from the Dnieper river to Donbas. I agree that there is nothing easy about the upcoming offensive, but what Ukraine want to achieve is eminently achievable and in many ways is seems more realistic than the Kherson offensive did at the start of same.

Russia are the ones who are trying to prosecute WW1 style trench warfare which, to be fair to them, was working well around April-May last year. But then HIMARS was introduced to disrupt their supply lines, and they have been bogged down ever since. Ukraine are not planning any major offensives in the Donbas, because it would, as you say, be sending them into the heavily fortified areas. But without giving the game away, they are not planning to attack there.

The Russians seem to be using their training exercises in Belarus as a blocking maneuver i.e. it forces Ukraine to keep troops in or around Kyiv for its defence so they cant commit them to the South. But if they were to attack into Northern Ukraine, it would be a terrific Christmas present for Kyiv. In February, they invaded with a more professional and better equipped force, with the element of surprise and with a troop ratio advantage of up to 12:1. Now, they would be attacking where they are expected, with poorly trained and equipped conscripts and without the numerical advantage that they had in February.

Combined with stalemate in Donbas and the Ukrainians being able to withdraw and rest some of their major assault battalions from Kherson and Kharkiv, and agreeing with you that it won't be "easy", Ukraine are in a very good position to impose massive defeats on the Russians over the next few months.

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