"Nobody cares about Covid anymore"

It was scary how countries like this could resort to measures such as 2/5 km rules .... pure dictatorship was what it was and not a proper response to a pandemic by any stretch of the imagination .... it came from the Chinese government post-1989 playbook to deal with pro-democracy protests ... copied from the 1980/81/82 version in military era Poland .... China used their template for a pandemic and then ..... all supposed democracies copied this ...

We need to learn from this pandemic.

Early reactions out of fear were understandable but the endless lockdowns and the damage inflicted worldwide has been immense.

While in the west, the labtop class ( myself included) bemoaned supply chain issues and costs escalating this drove millions of people in the poorest parts of the world into poverty. Poverty equals increased death and disease.

Example below but there is endless examples

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019570720300755

People with COVID symptoms would also be advised not to get vaccinated, not because of any danger but because the vaccine wouldn't be necessary (and many people will get the flu vaccine anyway). But good to see what the grift sites are pushing to their followers, it's like having a canary for misinformation.

Consider yourself educated on this, try not to get too huffy this time :)

+1 ... exactly ...

We need to learn as right ... in Ireland we went through ...

2020

February 29th-March 12th ... life as normal.

March 12th-March 27th ... minor to moderate restrictions.

March 27th-June 29th ... lockdown.

June 30th-October .... level 2 restrictions mostly ... almost normal life.

This level 2 period is where things should have been done better ... more contact tracing, more research into the nature of the virus, etc. ... instead it was:

October-December ... back into lockdown then briefly out of lockdown to level 3 restrictions ...

December 2020-May 2021 ... Level 5 lockdown.

May-July ... level 3 then level 2.

August-January 2022 ... level 1 then level 2 and level 3 type restrictions.

February 2022 ... level 2 and then 1 ....

After that ... normality more or less .....

Now it is a sad legacy really .... the early period was panic and media overkill .... very fearmongering no concrete analysis of the virus ... lockdowns should have halted during that initial period ....

Ireland spent 10 months in severe level 5 type lockdown ... some sectors were closed for 2 years ... the supply chain issues, the rise of the far right faction of the Russian government, the subsequent war in Ukraine, etc. are all to do with long lockdowns ... these events as you point out have caused high prices and poverty ... on a positive note perhaps the Covid response ended Trump's tenure in office ...

Things that struck me most were the make it up as you go approach here ... one minute lockdown is ruled out, next it is announced ... then NPHET say masks have no role ... contradict a Czech medical profession (the Czech Republic was a country with far less stringent restrictions than Ireland with better Covid number as of April/May 2020) ... before finally saying masks were an option ...I did not like how willing everyone both on the NPHET side and govt side were to impose the worst forms of lockdown .. dubbed level 5 ... especially when it was done a 2nd and 3rd time ...

The next pandemic needs to be handled with respect to people's freedoms balanced with public health ... we could learn from what other countries did rather than copying China whose people have now revolted over near 3 years on and off lockdowns ...

What demographic would typically vote Republican? You guessed it, the older demographic.

Who denied Covid? What people did was react differently to Covid, no one denied Covid, what an absurd thing to say? I've no doubt you'll find some lone lunatic who does, but the vast majority of the community reacted to Covid.

Hindsight is to be used to move forward and do things better not beat someone with a stick for what they did in the past. It's the old saying those who don't learn from history are going to repeat it

So your attempt at refuting my points about covid and cancer, is to reference flu. A disease which is less severe and less infectious than covid. We don't treat the flu like covid. So how this refutes what I said about the nature of the threat covid represented is anybody's guess.

And if I said that, you should be able to link the post where I said it. So go ahead. Otherwise we can draw our own conclusions about the intellectual honesty of your argument.

If you use an inquiry to criticise people who did their best when we were in a crisis and evidence was changing all the time, then the next time the default approach will be an excess of caution. It'll be like doctors in US referring all patients to hospital in case they are subject to a medical negligence claim. By all means see what we can learn but I feel our officials did their best in an enormous crisis and criticism in hindsight gets us nowhere.

Certainly criticise for hypocrisy, if you know of any, but decisions you now label bad were almost certainly taken in good faith given a constantly evolving situation.

Was that what you read in my post ?

No I am saying I would never use that particular publication for a source of anything .

Maybe look at more respectable and honest sources...

and this shows why ...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-desantis-comments-social-media-posts-mislead-on-covid-19s-toll-in-florida/&ved=2ahUKEwjRo6TL7I38AhWtQUEAHVCBCZc4FBAWegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw3uURcAXhZ1ZZNINMHYB0eo

Very different reactions though .

We did send them back to nursing homes infected in the first weeks but that was stopped thereafter . It was a terrible mistake and caused most of our early deaths . You are right, it should never have happened and so many of us have said this all along. We learned from it and it didn't happen again .

But that does absolve Sweden from their grim policy for most of that first year . It was only changed after a public outcry and the powers that be there were happy to go along with it because it kept their hospital and ICU numbers lower.

Either case is bad, I don't deny .