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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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    #8912
    Katiepie
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Katiepie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120015397#Comment_120015397

    A major problem ive found with them bringing in core routes first is that alot of orbitals seem to exist to fill gaps left by the new bus routes so its causing alot of areas to be underserved as their replacement bus routes dont start for months if not years after the core route is implemented.



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    #8913
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017831#Comment_120017831

    Yes - the C-Spine stops will move further west along the N4 when the infrastructure works for that corridor actually start.



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    #8914
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    If people are currently using the L51, L52 and the N6 right now. What would be their thoughts on GAI drivers balloting for industrial action after Christmas?



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    #8915
    .G.
    Registered Users Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭.G.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018439#Comment_120018439

    What's their grievance?



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    #8916
    Katiepie
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Katiepie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018321#Comment_120018321

    So the temporary replacement stops will be available by the footbridge until they finish the new stops by the interchange?



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    #8917
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018838#Comment_120018838

    There will be no changes to where C-Spine buses stop until the infrastructure works on that corridor are completed. The new stops, bays and footbridge on the N4 are only plans right now.

    Those infrastructure plans are currently with An Bord Pleanála as a planning application, so we are talking about some time before this actually happens.



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    #8918
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭john boye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018439#Comment_120018439

    Their thoughts would probably be that the drivers might be going on strike. What kind of question is that?



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    #8919
    vafankillar
    Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    anyone who's checked the dublin bus christmas schedule, am i right saying that the 24 hour service for c1.c2 etc will not operate from he 26th till the 30th?



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    #8920
    TheChrisD
    Registered Users Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120023996#Comment_120023996

    The way I'm reading it, all 24-hour routes will be back to 24-hour operation from 5am Monday.

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    #8921
    thomasj
    Registered Users Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Yeah thats what usually happens . For the 24-hour routes last bus is 9pm Christmas Eve, and first service back is from 5am Stephens day where 24hr operation resumes.



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    #8922
    mikeybhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018721#Comment_120018721

    They want a pay increase and given the some of the stories I've heard about GAI I can't say I blame them.



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    #8923
    .G.
    Registered Users Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭.G.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120030981#Comment_120030981

    Me neither. They should have parity with their Dublin Bus counterparts at the least.



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    #8924
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,334 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Some interesting comments here: Ryan planning to introduce ‘bus gates’ to speed up move to public transport

    Finally someone in government realised that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and that the current set up is incredibly long winded.



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    #8925
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120031913#Comment_120031913

    Great news. Its long overdue hopefully it can be delivered quickly in the new year. City centre needs a quick overall to remove through routes for cars too.



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    #8926
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Bit of an update on the next generation ticketing


    https://www.thejournal.ie/contactless-payment-public-transport-5954892-Dec2022/

    Makes sense that there'll be a trial first. Allows them to iron out any major issues before a wider rollout.



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    #8927
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,918 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    the bus gates story is welcome but surely the really low hanging fruit is enforcement. Get the bloody cars (and the taxis) out of the existing bus lanes.



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    #8928
    brianc89
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120039359#Comment_120039359

    Taxis through D'Oliver and College Green is a huge issue. They should introduce a city centre taxi charge of 15euro to cross certain points. At rush hour, it's quicker to get a taxi through College Green for those who can afford it.

    Those same taxis are the reason buses can't get through College Green quickly. They need to make taxis prohibitively expensive using College Green. Rich Tourists can afford it and Business People can expense it. The rest can get public transport. Everyone wins.



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    #8929
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,334 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Sadly, enforcement isn't a low hanging fruit. The Garda are essentially saying that they're too busy to make a proper go of it, which means that it needs to be offloaded onto the NTA (or a private company, like the speed cameras). This requires legislative changes, and that's a massive bottleneck, fraught with potential political difficulties.

    Weirdly enough, the bus gates ARE the low hanging fruit. The councils have responsibility for the layout of the roads, and don't have as much legal hoops to jump through. No need for non statutory consultations, no need to involve ABP, just a relatively quick consultation, then a report to the council, bob's your uncle, etc.



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    #8930
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    You would have to have some enforcement to make bus gates work though the existing bus gate on bachelors walk sees a lot cars, driving in the bus lane all the way from Heuston straight through it.



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    #8931
    Breezer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    ANPR. Why on earth don’t we have it? Stick some average speed software on the cameras while they’re at it.

    Separately, Eamon Ryan wants another meeting about the disappearing buses. I had a vanishing 13 on Lord Edward Street this morning, so I jumped on a 77a in an effort to catch the 155 my TFI app assured me was coming to Westmoreland Street. The 155 was also non-existent, but it was ok, a 13 the app knew nothing about then magically appeared. All of these buses were supposedly being tracked in real time on the app.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/12/28/transport-minister-seeks-meeting-with-dublin-bus-over-disappearing-buses/




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    #8932
    Polar101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,846 ✭✭✭Polar101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120041565#Comment_120041565

    I think the article says the minister sent a letter to Dublin Bus in October, but is now satisfied everything is being done to fix the issues. Which doesn't sound very promising, since things haven't exactly improved since October.



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    #8933
    Breezer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    I think you’re right. My bad. No, that’s not ideal.



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    #8934
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120042764#Comment_120042764

    If a journalist is writing off a freedom of information response in late December, the request likely went in in mid-November or earlier.



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    #8935
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,918 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120040415#Comment_120040415

    exactly, if they can't enforce the existing bus-lanes, what makes anyone think they'll enforce new ones.



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    #8936
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120041565#Comment_120041565

    the DB app itself is the only reliable option for RTPI at the moment. Which of course TFI/NTA etc want rid of it...



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    #8937
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,807 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm always slightly conflicted about bus lanes in Dublin for the sole reason that motorcyclists like myself have used them routinely ever since they were introduced, without problem or causing danger or obstruction to anyone, but this usage remains illegal - might some politician catch a clue and actually legalise this..?

    When UK practise was against this they cited this constantly, but since UK practise changed they have gone curiously silent. Official Ireland has long been, and remains, deeply hostile towards motorcycles of all types despite the massive beneficial effect they can have on urban transport.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #8938
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,807 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045337#Comment_120045337

    In my recent usage the DB app is the worst, but your mileage may differ...

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #8939
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045360#Comment_120045360

    Absolutely different. I'd not take seriously what the TFI app gives or the on street screens certainly without cross referencing with the DB app. It doesn't show cancelled buses, but if the bus is showing on the DB app, my experience is that it is indeed running to that approximate time.



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    #8940
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The Dublin Bus app seems to working more or less correctly finally, and is now showing curtailed services once more.

    The reliability of the predictive element of the TFI app is still random to say the least, but the street signs do seem to be improving.

    However once again, I would suggest to people that they try the map on the TFI app with the live bus positions activated on it.

    That for me is the gospel as it shows where the buses actually are from the live GPS and doesn’t rely on predictive time algorithms working.

    You can work back along a bus route and see where buses on a route are by clicking on the black bus symbols, and judge for yourself how long it will take and watch it as it comes to your stop.



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    #8941
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    I'm beginning to use the TFI Live app more often now as while it also shows the live bus position, it displays it by route. Meanwhile on the old TFI app, you have to search around on the map to guess where the bus is.

    For example, if you go to the "Timetable" tab and select a certain route (i.e. 46a) and select "Map", it shows all buses currently tracking in the selected direction. You can switch the direction in the "List" tab.


    Screenshot_2022-12-30-10-28-20-36_75b291342e15d1d0225d1cd401af3649.jpg

    Furthermore, if you select a bus stop from "Departures", you can select an individual service and see the location of that specific bus.

    Screenshot_2022-12-30-10-28-44-12_75b291342e15d1d0225d1cd401af3649.jpg

    Now, there still is some stuff in this app that seems to be a downgrade compared to the old TFI app, like the fact that the table showing incoming services seems quite basic.

    Also this app is still technically in testing, so keep that in mind.



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