Tesla Model Y

Several reasons. I know there's fairly serious depreciation coming on my Model S. This was by far the most important reason for ordering the Model Y which is brand new, good value, a popular form factor, ahead of the rest of the market in many aspects, super efficient, subsidised by €5k and almost guaranteed to have low depreciation. Problem is that since I ordered the Model Y 2.5 months ago, my Model S has already depreciated by a good €3k or so - the whole used car market has collapsed or at least got a serious correction from the madness from earlier in the year. So this reason has become a lot less valid

Then there is the fact that I will be trading down. The Model S is not as well made as the Model Y, but it's the daddy. It's size / form factor / comfort / luxury of it and its speed are far superior. Also I have FSD, it didn't cost me anything when I bought it. It won't be worth anything if I sell it today. But it is getting damn good. All FSD cars in North America are now allowed use the beta software. That's over a million cars. It will come here too, but could be a while. I'm really interested in this area. If I sell the car now, I won't be able to afford it on any future Tesla I might buy. At the moment in the USA it already costs $18k and I believe Tesla will stop selling it and only let you rent it on new cars. For big money, could be $100 per day or more.

I think its fair to say that FSD is several years away from being online in the EU. The US probably alot closer than that. If you factor that in, then your S will be 3-5 years older when it eventually does come in and FSD could be so watered down at that stage that it might be little better than autopilot is now.

Dropping further, but ICE cars far more so than EVs. The Model S is a bit of an odd one out. Not an easy sell a €40k+ private sale of an out of warranty aging car where 99% of people with that sort of budget for a car buy new and mostly with finance. That said, the Model S is something special, they are very rare in Ireland (and always will be), yet instantly recognisable. Particularly by young people. Literally every day you'd get a kid (mostly boys but also regularly girls) pointing at the car and shouting "Tesla!" - still find that a very weird phenomenon. Also it is generally regarded as the car that made EVs accepted. Even superior.

@Foreign Sports - funny you mention that. A neighbour of mine had an E63 M6 with the same setup many years ago. Got to drive it one glorious Monday morning and it was great except for the robotised manual transmission. Engine sound was superb hitting the 8500rpm rev limit. But did you give it a fair comparison?

My last Tesla, a 2014 Model S P85 (performance), also RWD only, had a slightly quicker but almost the same 0-60 time of 3.9s. But it is night and day, so effortless in the Tesla. I'm sure if you had driven the Tesla straight after the M5, you would have agreed it's game over for ICE cars...

Last hurrah is right. When I took a Model 3 Performance on a decent test drive over the Wicklow mountains in track mode on roads I know well, I decided there and then to sell my pride and joy the Porsche Boxster. Superb to drive and orchestral sound from the flat 6 engine right behind your head, but it had instantly become irrelevant. A relic from history.

So yeah, go for the Model 3 Performance if that's a realistic choice. Amazing car. Keep an eye out on the Tesla used inventory, occasionally a rather cheap one comes up. That's how @Gumbo got his. A sedan with a boot simply doesn't suit me for practical reasons / dog, otherwise I'd have one too.

Yep i saw that one alright..very tempting indeed!

Is there really such a big difference in the build quality between a 2020 Freemont vs a 2022 Shanghai?

I know panel gaps and possibly paint quality etc would be improved in Shanghai built cars but would there be a discernable difference in build quality?

I mean such that you'd actually notice in terms of rattles / squeaks etc?

There was the bargain to be had if one had a biggish budget, way batter value than 57k perf 2020. It sold a few days after it was reduced. I wonder if it is now this? https://www.carsireland.ie/3195170

Model 3 performance are made in shanghai vin no.starts with LRW while 5YJ are freemont built cars

Not true. We have an April 2021 built LR with VIN LRW* i.e. a Shanghai assembled car with the LG 74.5 kWh battery pack. (Edit: This is about Model 3 vs Model Y. Sorry for contaminating the Y thread).

Hahahaha glad I could help Gumbo 😜

Boxster is a fantastic machine, pure bred Porsche and you simply can't beat a RWD mid engine setup. But it is simply so much slower than the Model 3 Performance, it's unreal. The Model 3 beat every competitor around a track, even the BMW M3, costing near twice as much. And that was before Tesla enabled track mode via an over the air update. And none of that launch control stupidity that you have with lots of modern performance cars (even the Tesla Model S post P85 cars). As @Gumbo said, just stamp your foot on the pedal at any time and it flies.

Go drive one yourself. Play around with the track mode and drive it hard. Then get back to tell us about it here 😁

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$7500 credit for new Teslas coming next week. This shaves a huge chunk off the price of second hand Teslas.