Anti-vax/science/lockdown folks facing consequences in the courts

Cool.

I heard the word "tyranny" being used. For having to wear a piece of cloth.

Not working out great for these lads.

The entire source seems to be Twitter and a fundraiser. No confirmation from the hospital. Looking it up, people suspect it's a scam.

Even if it was true, then it the parents would be 100% at fault for delaying medical procedures by absurdly demanding "unvaccinated" blood.

For those who like to gloat because they think they are so smart for adhering to the prevailing opinion of the herd:

You assume that the baby died because of the delayed transfusion, however :

1) The parents had a donor ready with the required blood type

2) The transfusion was not required for the success of the operation, in fact it was decided arbitrarily by the doctor

3) The cause of death was blood-clotting following the blood transfusion

I know it's hard, but forget for a second the usual dispute antivax/provax, don't you think the parents were entitled to choose considering that the alternative has proven to be fatal for the infant? On the other end, considering the outcome, should the court/doctor not face charges based on their poor decision?

I think it vindicates the fact that people should be able to make their own choice without coercion. It may be that VAERS and other such databases under-record incidents (yes I know they are only correlations).

Given the amount of vaccine injuries, you are definitely going to sow mistrust if you're seen to be almost forcing people to take the vaccines.

Add in that they don't prevent transmission, particularly in light of Omicron washing over the entire population, and the case for things like vaccine passes and exclusion falls apart for all but we-know-best fanatics.

This is deceptive on several fronts.

Vaccine passes were in place here before Omicron was circulating. Against the variants then in circulation, vaccination significantly reduced infection rates and transmission. To use Omicron to argue against what was done in 2021 is therefore revisionism without basis.

And that wasn't the only reason for vaccine passes. It was so that people in higher risk social settings such as pubs, if they did get infected, would be far less likely to get severe covid.

Vaccine passes have been dropped here for pubs etc in part because Omicron changed the terrain.

Finally, there was no 'coercion' in Ireland. Everybody had a choice whether to take vaccine or not. Pubs were closed to everyone before we rolled out vaccine passes. It was very much a case of the carrot not the stick. Nobody in Ireland suffered consequences in terms of threats of prisons or fines at the hands of the state for not getting vaccinated.

There wasn't coercion in Ireland.

That point has been challenged multiple times on this forum.

Coercion has a specific meaning which you have entirely failed to substantiate.

the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

Nobody was compelled or coerced to be vaccinated in Ireland using force or threats.

To compare a public health measure to a political act against Lech Walesa just shows how far your argument has jumped the shark. If someone was banned from work for drinking or smoking on the job would be summoning his name for them also? Absolute nonsense whataboutery.

The 'cultural atmosphere' is not coercion. Coercion has a specific meaning which you have entirely failed to substantiate as applicable to vaccine passes in Ireland.

The unvaccinated weren't barred from all public buildings. They weren't barred from garda stations, hospitals, schools, universities, the courts. They weren't barred from shops, pharmacies. I could go on, but that it sufficient to demonstrate the falseness of your claim.

The rest of your post bears as much connection with reality.

@odyssey06 'The unvaccinated weren't barred from all public buildings.'

Many public buildings though, there was a fairly extensive ban-list as I recall.

My point about our taking in large numbers of un-vaxed migrants bears reflection. If we are taking in people from a country with less vaccinations per capita than Ireland that is admitting that vaccination is subordinate to other, more important considerations.

@odyssey06 'They were not barred from any essential services.'

Yeah fair enough.

'Your latter point doesn't mean vaccination isn't important or that the passes wouldn't have been dropped regardless of Omicron. What vaccine pass restrictions were still in force when the war started?'

But clearly its no longer the most important thing, which is what I've said. Do you mind me asking does the mass migration of people from a country with less vaccinations per capita vex you at all?

Don't worry, I'm not going to falsely accuse you of being pro-Russian if you say yes.

i am afraid they are absolutely cranks, no doubt about that fact.

nobody has ever said, at least not to my knowledge, that a vaccine can't have unforseen effects on some individuals, some of those effects serious given any medical product can effect people differently the odd time, however what the anti-vax crowd do is spout lies and knowingly so, and keep spouting them even when those lies have been debunked.