General Star Trek thread

They'd have to be the Jurati volunteer collective in the series, it'd be very hard to have your protagonist violently assaulting innocent people every week.

I suspect these are shows no-one outside of Secret Hideout actually wants. Could be that their deal with Paramount requires a certain amount of material in the pipeline. I'm guessing the S31 show could only function so long in that role before they needed something new "in developement" to replace it.

This Borg show idea does reek of being a similar project to Section 31. No-one asked for it, no-one really wants it, but Kurtzman's people are probably going threaten us with it for years, like they did with S31. As far as a "Borg Show" is concerned, didn't we already get that? Following Season 4, Voyager essentially became the "Borg Show" with a Borg crew member and the Borg Queen setup as Janeway's arch-nemisis. They even ended the show with the Borg.

We really don't need a Borg Show.

I will die on this hill: The Borg were one of the greatest fictional "Villains" ever.

The concept was utterly terrifying.

Classic Borg rank right up there in my mind as some of the best Sci-Fi horror monsters you can think of. I still remember vivid Borg nightmares from when I was younger. We peaked with First Contact and alas...I think you could only ever go so far before you ruin it.

It's kind of like Doctor Who over using the Daleks. In breif bursts they were a classic, truly dangerous villain who were (for their time) the stuff that would also fighten kids. Then they went and over used them, and the trouble is; The Doctor has to win, and defeating them so very often like that serisously defangs them as a threat.

I think the same happened with the Borg. Breif bursts like with BoBW or even Scorpion let them remain a dangerous monolithic threat. But being defeated so often as a Monster of the Week, defanged them just as badly as the BBC's Evil Pepper-pots.

Secret hideout writing room

I dont think I ever got past season 2 myself

If he had said RIP Discovery. It have made sense.

But you're right. He completely wrong. Trek has not been in this strong position in years. Discovery, Picard, Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks, Prodigy and more on the way.

I think it might be that Rotten Tomatoes or "professional" critics that are dying out. Professional reviews for Lower Decks Season 1 - 47 (apt), season 2 -15, and season 3 - 5. For Picard season 1 - 254 , and season 2 - 94. From a non Star Trek series Jack Ryan Season 1 - 85 , season 2 - 27 , season 3 - 12. All three series took a pretty steep dive.

Does anyone actually use Rotten Tomatoes anymore other than to "prove" their preconceptions.

I gave up trusting those kinds of sites way back. Wasn't it The Dark Knight that was the top ranking movie of all time on IMDB before it even came out.

I think critics are good but obviously objective. Trick is to find one or two with a history of liking what you like rather than saying x amount of critics like something.

Well I think there are two large problems with those aggregators (not defending Discovery BTW, those reviews may have been too generous....). Sites are not willing to pay for good quality reviewers, and replace them with writers who seem to be a hot second out of college, the AV club was a prime example of that one, while at the same time I've noticed that an awful lot of "reviewers" are only watching the first episode or two that they got on screener, and probably at double time, and then dumping it. So issues that arise in the initial episodes, which are later either addressed or adjusted, become the death knell of some shows that could actually work out in the long term. Almost the only shows that seem to now have reviews for each episode, despite quality, are the Marvel/Star Wars grouping, with a few exceptions here and there.

I'm honestly at a loss at the moment trying to find a decent site or reviewer for upcoming 2023 stuff. Empire went to gack an awful long time ago, and I either don't trust or fundamentally disagree with both the more mainstream review sites, and the edgelords whose main stick is that absolutely everything is crap.

Didn't realise it was the 30th anniversary this year, now I'm beginning to feel my age! Would have been 30 years ago so that my dad arrived back from a work trip in the UK with a holographic Star Trek postcard of some weird space station I'd never heard of. Trek, on a station, Never! Was a couple of years before I actually got to see the show though, not sure if it ever came up on RTE so must have been when we got NTL around '95

I had done a new run through early DS9 a short while back, and I suprise myself at how little credit I gave the show back in the day. For an opening episode of a Trek show, Emissary was magnificent.

Especially this whole scene with Picard.

Picard: Is everything all right Commander?

Sisko: Sure, except you killed my wife you cyborg b*stard.

Picard: Will this impead your duties?

Sisko: You made me a single-parent and I'm still in greif.

Picard: Well...that sounds like a you problem.

The whole Wolf359 opening, and the way the battle haunts Sisko, are just excellent. How in the end he admits to The Prophets that he never really left Jennefer's side on the USS Saratoga, even years after the Battle just went to show how good the writing was going to be on this show.