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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Why do you guys state things like this yet never link to the text? In case you get caught out?



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,578 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Nope. Again, no mention of vaccine passports, no mention of mandatory vaccines, no mention of any permanent restriction.

    Id suggest you read it again, but I doubt you've read it in the first place.

    You've only read the 'grifter synopsis'


    But hey, feel free to post exactly where you read "vaccine passports" in point 23 of their declaration



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    You missed it. It’s right beside the “you’ll own nothing and be happy “ paragraph. Russell Brand said so.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Jeez..ye're all out today..



  • Administrators Posts: 14,023 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    All name calling and ridicule is banned in this forum. This includes but is not limited to 'grifters', 'debunkers', 'covidians'. Post your points without resorting to name calling. Forum bans have been handed out and will continue to be handed out for anyone who breaches the charter. I advise everyone to reread it occasionally. Anyone who cannot make a point without resorting to petty swipes and digs are not welcome in this forum and access will be removed for repeat offenders.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,578 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat



    @[Deleted User]

    can you please post where in point 23 did the G20 indicate that vaccines passports were being introduced this year, like you claimed ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Found what he was talking about:

    23. We recognize the need for strengthening local and regional health product manufacturing capacities and cooperation as well as sustainable global and regional research and development networks to facilitate better access to VTDs globally, especially in developing countries, and underscore the importance of public-private partnership, and technology transfer and knowledge sharing on voluntary and mutually agreed terms. We support the WHO mRNA Vaccine Technology Transfer hub as well as all as the spokes in all regions of the world with the objective of sharing technology and technical know-how on voluntary and mutually agreed terms. We welcome joint research and joint production of vaccines, including enhanced cooperation among developing countries. We acknowledge the importance of shared technical standards and verification methods, under the framework of the IHR (2005), to facilitate seamless international travel, interoperability, and recognizing digital solutions and non-digital solutions, including proof of vaccinations. We support continued international dialogue and collaboration on the establishment of trusted global digital health networks as part of the efforts to strengthen prevention and response to future pandemics, that should capitalize and build on the success of the existing standards and digital COVID-19 certificates.

    Nothing in there about "vaccine passports" being introduced. Or any covid measures being permanent.

    The closest thing in there is:

    We acknowledge the importance of shared technical standards and verification methods, under the framework of the IHR (2005), to facilitate seamless international travel, interoperability, and recognizing digital solutions and non-digital solutions, including proof of vaccinations.

    It's a huge leap to go from "We acknowledge the importance" to "We are going to introduce this immediately."


    I suspect that conspiracy theory media have been making a big deal out of this out of context quote to try and claim that they've been right all along.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,764 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Seems the G20 vaccine mandate thing all came from a Korean language Facebook post and went viral with "digital journalists".

    The same people who "lol 🤣" at the fact checkers.

    We're really at the tail end of the this aren't we. People are desperate.

    Although heres something for people to look forward to


    Post edited by The Nal on


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    After reading that it seems we have ‘future pandemics’ ...... ‘to look forward to’.

    Can’t wait!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Pandemics have been occurring since time began. Why would you think there will never be any ever again?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yes. Pandemics occurred before. They will again.

    You seem to be suggesting that because they are acknowledging this, that they are actually saying that the pandemics are planned or faked.


    This is no more the case as when governments try to improve their responses to natural disasters like earthquakes or floods by acknowledging that such things will occur again.

    Likewise, what you seem to be hinting at is just as silly as the notion that governments also plan/cause these things.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,023 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    15 off topic posts deleted. Last warning in this thread: This is not a thread for discussing vaccines. There are at least 2 threads in the forum already dedicated to discussing vaccines.

    Further discussion around vaccines will result in thread bans and incremental forum bans.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,578 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    @[Deleted User]

    I asked you this 4 days ago

    Can you please answer the question , if indeed you are a good faith poster here.

    If you don't, then that can only mean you're a bad faith poster.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "We acknowledge the importance of shared technical standards and verification methods, under the framework of the IHR (2005), to facilitate seamless international travel, interoperability, and recognizing digital solutions and non-digital solutions, including proof of vaccinations. We support continued international dialogue and collaboration on the establishment of trusted global digital health networks as part of the efforts to strengthen prevention and response to future pandemics, that should capitalize and build on the success of the existing standards and digital COVID-19 certificates."

    Digital solutions for international travel?..built on the success of the digital covid certificates?..



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But that passage doesn't say anything about vaccine passports and doesn't say anything about them being implemented or introduced this year or any other year.

    Even if you take the leap you are to assume that "Digital solutions for international travel" means "vaccine passports" (A massive, massive leap.) then all that statement says is that they "acknowledge the importance" of it. It's another further massive, ridiculous leap to take that to mean that they plan on introducing them and enforcing them this year as covid is on it's way out.

    Might as well the full leap to declare that "Digital solutions for international travel" means "implanting people with mircochips hidden in the vaccines" as was being claimed early in the pandemic.


    Also, nothing in there about anything being permanent.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,578 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    So that's a NO then, they're not introducing vaccine passports this year...


    Thank you for clarifying



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Such nit picking! Big deal if the word ‘passport wasn’t used.

    ’seamless international travel’ ... ‘including proof of vaccinations’ ... ‘digital covid certificates’

    The fact that the above were even discussed means that vaccine passports are very much part of the plan for the masses.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,578 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ah here.... it absolutely is not nit-picking


    they are talking about responses to future pandemics FFS !!!!


    there is simply no where in that paragraph does it refer / suggest / imply that "vaccine passports will be introduced this year'"

    and if you think it does, then you have the same comprehension issues as the poster who originally posted it.


    i could easily pick words at random from a paragraph to make it seem like it says something completely different, but that does not change what the actual wording means.


    again this kind of twisted paranoia is a symptom of a severe case of apophenia that a lot of CTers seem to be afflicted with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    “future pandemics” ... It is the the Conspiracy Theory forum so you’re in the right place!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Do you think that Covid was and will be the only pandemic ever?

    Would you agree that having plans in place for potential future pandemics after learning from the covid pandemic is a reasonable approach?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Future Natural Disasters.

    Future School Shootings.


    Still unsure what point you're trying to make here, and I suspect that you are avoiding explaining it.

    It's not nitpicking to point out that the quote doesn't say what's claimed it says.

    The quote does not say "vaccine passports" or "Introduced" or "this year" or importantly, "Permanently."



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    i could easily pick words at random from a paragraph to make it seem like it says something completely different, but that does not change what the actual wording means.

    There's probably some conspiracy theorists who are using that same passage to argue that they are planning to introduce microchipping.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,578 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    this kind of lack of basic understanding is not a good look for CTers.


    of course there will be future pandemics.... do you actually think COVID was the first?


    here is some education for you.... dont get too scared reading it though.... the human race does actually survive global pandemics and epidemics. The Walking Dead is just a TV show.




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Yes, us humans have survived pandemics and epidemics ..... and all without €9 meals!



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,578 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat



    ah ok, thats the level of your "debate" ???


    do you still have to pay €9 for a meal in order to socialise?

    if not, then THE RESTRICTIONS WERE NOT PERMANENT



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Great. So why do you believe that "future pandemics" is such an odd term to use?


    Why are you bringing up expensive meals? Is this one of the covid measures that the conspiracy has introduced?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You seem to have yourself in knots over temporary measures and can’t differentiate between the words “temporary” and “permanent”.

    To put it simply, a temporary measure means short term removable measure. A permanent measure means it remains in place forever.

    You are failing to identify any permanent measures at all, and ignoring questions posed to you possibly because they identify your stance on temporary measures is silly.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But the passage you quoted doesn't say anything about introducing them at all.

    But ok. If you're walking back the claim that they're introducing them this year, when are they going to introduce them? 2 Years? 5? Before they are going to take away all private property in 2030?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Where’s your source then if it’s not in the declaration point 23 as you specified? Why did you lie about it being in the declaration?



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