What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Well I think it was a bit surprising that you were under the impression that most IP applicants would be Ukrainian women and children given they could be here under the Temporary Protection Directive and qualify for social welfare and ability to work and access to many things the same as a citizen could, rather than opting to enter direct provision and getting 20 quid a week. Is that because you would have chosen the 20 quid a week Direct Provision option yourself?

It would seem even more silly to me for someone to have somehow formed the opinion that most people were under the same misapprehension. To me, it would be evidence that that person didn't understand the very very basics of the situation.

But that's beside the real issue here, and my overall point, do you really think that bringing in thousands of single males, 55 to 60% of overall claims according to Roderic O'Gorman, into this country is a good thing?

What IS your issue exactly? I mean, did you read the context in which Roderic was speaking when he referred to that statistic?

"We're facing the largest humanitarian challenge our country has ever witnessed.

"In terms of international protection applicants, I think you'd be talking maybe 55% to 60% would be single male applicants.

"That's not surprising in the context of people fleeing war.

"Men are victims of war, men are conscripted into armies, men are victimised in terms of torture, in terms of political persecution around the world.

"Men are as entitled as woman, or as indeed families, to seek international protection," he added.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ending-direct-provision-by-2024-very-difficult-to-achieve-ogorman-1415771

It’s a good thing that we can offer protection to thousands of people who need it. I’m just not sure what your point is about 55% of those applicants being single males. There are thousands of single males in Ireland already, is it that we have too many single males and granting international protection to a couple of thousand more will play havoc with the sex ratio of the population? We have 33,000 more females than males already -

The Sex Ratio in Ireland in 2021 is 98.66 males per 100 females. There are 2.47 million males and 2.51 million females in Ireland. The percentage of female population is 50.34% compare to 49.66% male population. Ireland has 33.58 thousand more females than males. Ireland is at 99th position out of 201 countries/territories in terms of female to male ratio.

https://m.statisticstimes.com/demographics/country/ireland-demographics.php

And in 2019 at least, we had 86,000 people come to live in Ireland, 45,000 of whom were males, and it’s like you didn’t even notice -

The number of males emigrating from Ireland fell from 41,900 in 2009 to 28,100 in 2019 while the number of female emigrants fell from 30,100 to 26,800 over the same time period.

The number of male immigrants climbed from 36,800 in 2009 to 45,000 in 2019 while the number of female immigrants rose from 36,800 to 43,600 over the same time period.

In 2019 net migration had climbed to 33,700 people, with 88,600 people arriving to live in Ireland (immigrants) and 54,900 leaving the country to live abroad (emigrants).

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-wamii/womenandmeninireland2019/introduction/

The idea that 55% of people seeking international protection in Ireland are single males isn’t the least bit surprising or interesting, even if there were never a war going on. It’s hardly an ideal situation in the first place, but I don’t think it’s a bad idea that we’re able to offer protection to people who are seeking it.

Our own politicians like the ones across the water used to and still do around Brexit lay the blame for any unpopular decision at the door of the EU.

This was a big factor in Brexit and it’s stirring up a lot of anti EU sentiment here. Until we have politicians with courage to actually be seen to stand behind their decisions we are at nothing.

Sorry to butt in but was that not a reasonable expectation given Ukranian men between and 18 and 60 were forbidden to leave the country. Or am I missing something?

So how did so many manage to leave when there was a ban in place?, and whats the difference between international protection and temporary protection?

So how did so many manage to leave when there was a ban in place?

I’m not sure if this is one of those “truth is stranger than fiction” type deals, but the way the website is written certainly seems a bit tongue-in-cheek 😁

One of the most popular schemes consists in banal escape from the country. In such cases, men are ready to do almost anything to avoid mobilization. Yesterday they shouted that they would exterminate the occupiers, and today they disguise themselves as women or give bribes to be released abroad.

https://visitukraine.today/blog/1109/running-away-from-ukraine-how-men-flee-from-war

The "Temporary Protection" is a special status that you can rougly understand as being the EU allowing Ukrainians to come and live in the EU and be entitled to the same things as EU citizens.

International Protection is what we call "Asylum seekers". Those are people from any country who land in another country and say "please let me stay here because I am persecuted or in danger back home (or who are already living in the other country and don't want to go home for the same reason).

Asylum seekers don't have access to SW or permission to work. Ukrainians do under temporary protection. It would make no sense for Ukrainians to apply for IP. They might try to do it if/when their Temporary protection status expires (or if they were individually not qualified under the TP Directive which would be technically possible but would be a minority)

You’re having a laugh if you think anyone’s application for asylum is going to be processed within days, it can take anywhere from weeks to months to years by the time a decision is made, and then just as long if the decision is appealed, which they have every right to do under Irish and International Human Rights Law.

You don’t have any idea what the rejection rate is either, because of the time it takes to process applications which means overlapping years, so it’s impossible to pin down to any given year. Don’t take my word for it though. When asked the question for the years 2019 to 2021, this was the answer given -

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2022-02-08a.1539

We always had, and always will have, shortages of accommodation, it’s how value is maintained in the property and rental markets, and migratory patterns don’t have any real effect on that because of the fact there’s nearly as many people leaving Ireland in any given year, as there is coming in.

Applying for a work permit certainly isn’t the only process for moving to Ireland. People move here with their families all the time, and they are economic migrants. Economic migrants aren’t generally eligible for asylum in the first place -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_migrant

O’ Gorman has very little to do with anything, he’s not the Minister for Justice, who IS responsible for asylum applications. O’ Gorman is the Minister for Integration, ie - responsibility for migrants integration into Irish society. As for your ‘dregs of the third world’ comment, you must be living under a rock -

https://www.studyinternational.com/news/african-students-study-in-ireland/

Student visas btw, yet another process by which Africans can move to Ireland, study here, and gain employment here should they wish to, then they can bring over their families -

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/coming-to-join-family-in-ireland/joining-a-non-eea-non-swiss-national/

Be nice if you’d explain what you think is nonsense about it. We’ve always had people who couldn’t afford accommodation, couldn’t afford to buy property, people who emigrated, people who immigrated, etc -

In the 12 months to the end of April 2022:

• The population increased by 88,800 persons, the largest 12-month increase since 2008.
• There were 120,700 immigrants, a 15-year high.
• Of those immigrants; 28,900 were returning Irish nationals, 24,300 were other EU nationals, and 4,500 were UK nationals. 
• The remaining 63,000 immigrants were other nationals including almost 28,000 Ukrainians in the 12-month period. 
• More people emigrated than in recent years with 59,600 persons departing the State compared with 54,000 in 2021.
• There was a natural increase of 27,700 people in the State comprised of 60,700 births less 33,000 deaths.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2022/keyfindings/

I think we can now see how this added immigration is having such a bad impact on our basic services people deserve.

Housing

Healthcare

What an absolute clusterfuck.

The article doesn’t say they were issued to immigrants. It says they were issued to non-nationals. They’re not quite the same thing. A PPS number can be applied for outside of Ireland, for a couple of different purposes, such as it’s required if buying property in Ireland. Anyways if you imagine the 200k is a large number, it’s not much different than in previous years.

2022 - 286,168 (Good year for Brazil, India, Romania and UK too)

2021 - 174,525

2020 - 132,001

2019 - 196,177

2018 - 194,537

2017 - 188,956

2016 - 181,025

2015 - 169,771

etc, etc…

Anyways you get the idea, they’re not necessarily issued to immigrants who have entered the country. You can have a gander at the annual breakdown here if you’re extremely bored, goes back 20 years -

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/a78027-statistics-on-personal-public-service-pps-numbers-issued/#2022

The only difference between Canada and here is that we haven’t done yet what Canada are doing now. Irish properties are an attractive investment for international investors -

Can I buy property in Ireland as a non-resident?

Yes, you can buy a property in Ireland as a non-resident. There are no restrictions on foreign nationals buying residential property or commercial property in the State. However, you will need to get a PPS number and instruct an Irish property solicitor (lawyer).

Can foreign nationals buy property in Ireland?

Foreign nationals are allowed to buy property in Ireland, even if they do not live within the State. This includes both residential property and commercial property. Irish real estate is a popular investment option, considering that Ireland had the fastest growing economy in the European Union in 2020.

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If you are a non-EEA citizen and have significant funds to invest in Irish real estate, you might want to consider the Immigrant Investor Programme (IIP). If you are accepted, you and your family will be given the right to reside in Ireland.

https://mullinstreacy.ie/buying-property-in-ireland-non-resident/

The IIP option is popular with Chinese investors who want to gain residency and long term residency can be used to support an application for Irish citizenship -

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/more-than-1500-chinese-millionaires-granted-irish-residency-through-golden-visa-scheme-42086015.html

Richard Barrett doesn’t do too badly for himself out of it -

https://migrant.ie/news/2021/1/10/chinese-invest-in-irish-social-housing-and-nursing-homes

Ah yes lets go through the semantical challenge.

The issue is we are accepting too many people, not the right type of people, it is costing us a fortune that we will soon find out we don't have and it is creating huge future social issues.

The fix is to stop taking in asylum seekers (the vast vast majority of which are bogus), stop taking in any more refugees from anywhere right now.

First fix is move customs/immigration control plus armed military to aircraft doors and any passenger without documentation is handcuffed there and then to be detained until repatriation.

Anyone without VISA is detained.

An ultimatum is given to airline to repatriate them to wherever they boarded and passenger list is used to help identify them.

If airline does not repatriate them on next flight they are charged for their accommodation in an armed controlled locked down centre.

The next fix is to deport all the current asylum seekers/"those seeking international protection"/"those seeking temporary protection" in this country that have no identification.

You can dress up the issue all you want, but more and more people are finally copping on.