Roderic O’G: Transgender issues added to primary curriculum

Of course its whataboutery - you cant really call "whatabout this and whatabout that" much else.

My point was that if it had been part of the curriculum when you grew up, you would see that it isn't a big deal today

Not necessarily true astro, certainly not in Ireland anyway. There’s plenty of precedent for other topics which were taught in school thirty years ago that cause far more division in Irish society among adults today because to them it IS still such a big deal, that as adults they campaign to remove it from Irish schools entirely or, as in this case, they want it IN schools, regardless of the characteristic spirit of the school, in the form of what they’re calling the Provision of Objective Sex Education Bill -

Bill entitled an Act to guarantee the right of students to receive factual and objective relationships and sexuality education without regard to the characteristic spirit of the school

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/34/

I like how many of the same posters often up in arms about how trans issues are a huge issue all across society are suddenly convinced there's no need to introduce it in schools as it's a marginal issue that affects on a tiny fraction of the population.

Who actually benefits from a 5 year knowing about this.

I'm in my 30s and I have only even known one transgender person, when I say know, I have never had a conversation with the person.

How many primary school kids are going to encounter transgender people?

What exactly is the argument for kids learning about something they may never encounter.

Why exactly should they be told about this.

I can understand if in a school there is a transgender person than it can be explained on that basis.

But I have no idea what benefit kids get out of this on a national level.

It seems like a small minority of adults who want kids to be informed about them.

School is a place where kids learn and grow.

Teaching them this has no place in schools, it does not benefit them.

More nonsense virtue signalling from O'Gorman. Unfortunately the gullible idiots in his constituency will probably lap this up and think he's a great fella.

If he and people in government really wanted to improve schools in this country they would have made steps to seize every school from the trusteeship of the Catholic Church and turn them into 100% proper public schools rather than the nonsense situation we have now where people have to send their children to schools under the trusteeship of the church despite being atheists.

That would be something that very few apart from some religious nuts would object to.

I teach in a primary school, and have spoken to children about transgenderism in the past, and respecting everyone no matter what- I've heard them talking about it- they know all about it from social media anyway.

The issue is what we as teachers will be asked to teach. My belief is that it's a case of boys feeling as if they are girls and vice versa. If they tell me that we have to teach them that a boy who says he is a girl is actually a girl, well they can feck off with that to be honest.

This is kinda the point: if you teach kids about it early (and I mean 11/12 not 4/5 just to be clear) then it might prevent said mental issues as the start puberty - which can be stressful enough as it is.

The problem with your approach is the assumption that every kid is going to grow up heterosexual and cis (or whatever word you prefer to use in it's place) and I'd argue that the meanings and defintions of the alternates should be taught.

Telling people that ther is something wrong or not normal about them is what's going to cause mental health issues. And sweeping it under the carpet is going to give them the impression that, because the school/teacher/system is shying away from the topic that they're keeping hidden

the data shows that gender dsyphoria is experienced by more children who are homosexual

I’d love to see that data 😁

Meanwhile -

Sexual orientation distribution

In the United States, transgender respondents to one 2015 survey self-identified as queer (21%), pansexual (18%), gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving (16%), straight (15%), bisexual (14%), and asexual (10%). A second study found 23% reported being gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 25% bisexual, 4% asexual, 23% queer, 23% straight and 2% something else.

Transgender women

A 2015 survey of roughly 3,000 American trans womenshowed that at least 60% were attracted to women. Of the trans women respondents 27% answered gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 20% answered bisexual, 19% heterosexual, 16% pansexual, 6% answered asexual, 6% queer, and 6% did not answer.

Transgender men

A 2015 survey of roughly 2000 American trans men showed more variation in sexual orientation or sexual identity among trans men. 23% identified as heterosexual or straight. The vast majority (65%) identified their sexual orientation or sexual identity as queer (24%), pansexual (17%), bisexual (12%), gay/same-gender loving (12%), asexual (7%), and 5% did not answer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality

There is absolutely nothing to back up your statements that kids learning something about genders or puberty whether it be at school or elsewhere leads to less mental illness. I'd argue that currently kids have never had as much access to knowledge at their fingertips or indeed such an accepting world, relative to decades ago, yet mental illness is on a significant upward curve.

Again I would also be speaking about eleven year olds and upwards.

The government & some ministers have proved to me time & time again that they aren’t too be trusted & don’t have any accountability for their actions.

This is too big of a complex issue for them to handle & they need to be kept well away from it.

Not as if there isn’t other things they can be doing, like building homes, helping sick people in hospitals.

Do any of you think O Gorman gives one **** about any of these kid’s?

He will be long gone on a nice pension & no accountability.

this can’t happen.