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Where do all the areas of worship levelled by Russia eg churches, and all the Ukr civilians who were killed - being directly targeted/killed by Russia and who worshiped there fit in to a plea by Russia for a ceasefire ? It does not add up.

Just help out when I can, most people are just volunteers some are members of organisations.

It's something that should be expected really.

The more western or Ukrainian hatred that Russians see/hear/experience, the more it will engender the same feelings in them. It won't really matter to them what the objective truth is necessarily or whether this is a just war or not. Hatred begets hatred. Violence begets violence.

We experienced this ourselves, on this island, during the troubles. Both sides had equal hatred for each other, and felt completely justified in feeling that way. How many of those people were naturally hate filled people? The circumstances can turn many people into heartless monsters - plus it's much easier for a soldier to do their job effectively if they don't care about the people they're killing.

Many of my own friends in Russia now cannot stand Ukraine or the west - and most were never really like this before. I am starting to see a big shift in attitude, where people care much less about what happens to Ukraine or the level of brutality used by the military in this war. In the beginning, it felt like a civil war against Slavic brothers... but not anymore. We are entering a very worrying period imho, because Putin will have been waiting for enough collective anger to justify more drastic measures. And he is very slowly starting to get that now. It's feeling more and more like a siege mentality now, where Russia must do whatever it takes - no matter how barbaric or ugly it may be.

That's the danger of hatred on either side. The red mist descends and people can become capable of almost anything.

@Run Forest Run

Nice story,

All bs of course

During the battle 73 Easting during the Gulf war ,a pretty significant tank battle 2 scout Bradleys took on 5 Iraqi main battle tanks and defeated them before a larger force of Abrams and other Bradleys arrived to support them during a broader battle, if I remember correctly one Bradley was damaged by enemy fire and another taken out by another Bradley(blue on blue),the Iraqis had lost a serious amount of vehicles and men by the time the battle had ended after 3 days.

Bradleys and Abrams can essentially fight day and night due to superior tech and optics and in bad weather unlike Soviet era vehicles

Would it really take months of training though? It's similar to training in say an F16, the time people quote to train fail to mention that's from training someone with zero flight experience. I'd imagine there's more in common between a Bradley and a BMP than different.

I'm sure it would take months for a non military person to be trained, but an experienced tank/IFV crew should be able to pick it up pretty quick. If anything the Ukrainians have been praised for their quick grasp and training on NATO hardware.

The sea sparrow is a good addition to NASAMS. Both have an abundance of missiles produced.

your 144 posts all as interesting as this? what's next? nukes?

From what I remember at the time the Ukrainians offered more money for the Maraders than they were worth but scholz said they couldn't be sold , then they were sold to the Greeks for less than ukraine wanted to pay

Nope. 30 years after the fall of the iron curtain, any resentment and bitterness on the Russian side is entirely their own fault and no one else's.

Lol, they aren't under siege, no one wants to invade Russia. They are the invaders.

If anyone thinks an invading force is "under siege" then let then be damned along with Putin and the other gangsters who "currently" rule Russia

Watching one of the vox pop videos from Russia (not 1420) recorded around New Year's Day and there was a general air of pessimism and gloom in the air and no sense that the war would end any time soon or that there is even any real hope that Russia might 'win' it.

Looks like state propaganda is not working. The Russian public know they are in a right spot and things are not going to plan (reminds me a bit of the mood in Nazi Germany post-Stalingrad....apparently most people were down and pessimistic and no longer listening to the state slogans).

You're kidding, right? This has been common knowledge for 8 years...8 years. That's when all this basically started. The people in Eastern Ukraine (mostly Ukrainians and Russians) did not support the US-puppet we illegally installed (Petro Poroshenko). Because they didn't bow down to that fake president, that's when things started to really boil over to another level. That's basically when the bombing and shelling of Eastern Ukraine started. Approximately 14,000 mostly Ukrainian and Russian men, women, and children have died since then. The people of Donbas (especially Lugansk and Donetsk) have been crying for 8 years to the international community for help. If it wasn't for Russia sending in contracted (or official, or both) forces, the people of Eastern Ukraine would have been decimated long ago in what was basically a slow genocide going on.

I don't even understand how people can be discussing the Ukrainian situation and not even know anything about the coup in 2014 that kicked most of this off, not to mention the people of Eastern Ukraine standing up and resisting the coup and then being shelled and bombed for 8 years (and counting).

Lol; little green men and BUKs crossing the border and definetely not murdering a plane load of Australians and Dutch innocents.

Your edited and deceiptful version of history I'd shelve next to Harry Potter books.

100k+ dead? Those are ridiculous numbers spouted by Ukrainian and Western media. Not only that, but that almost certainly way over-inflated number was stated as 100k dead and wounded (and wounded numbers are usually way more than deceased). So, sorry, you're twisting words and basically making up lies.

I'm not sure if that response is towards me but I never said Russia destroyed all the HIMARS. LOL. Not only that, but the 5 HIMARS I read were reported destroyed were in RESPONSE to the new years eve attack, not before it. So, again, you're attacking me by making up lies and responding to things I never said but that you rather are lying about and making up that I said.

??? I never said anything about the Russian military being so "stronk" (I'm guessing you meant to say strong?). I also never said anything about the Russian economy. Maybe you were replying to some one else and not me, if that's the case then my bad.

Speaking of propaganda, how's the "Ghost of Ukraine" or the "Snake Island" lies going? Ghost of Ukraine was completely made up, Snake Island situation was a clear lie as the Ukrainian soldiers were clearly taken captive (later admitted by Ukraine and also shown in tons of videos) rather than being brutally murdered like we were lead by Ukrainian and Western mainstream media to believe. I could go on with a ton of other fantastical stories perpetuated in the mainstream media, lol.