Roderic O’G: Transgender issues added to primary curriculum

there seems to be a lot of confusion of what the definition of normal is and a lot of offence taken to the term abnormal which is exactly as it purports to be, falling outside of the definition of normal.

This is why I always say there needs to be clear definitions on the basics (man, woman, intersex, trans, gender etc) widely agreed. That would stop the majority of the confusion and arguments. Most of the discussions are on what do these words mean and people have different interpretations. It is possible for words to have more than one meaning, and in those cases definitions are required for each individual meaning. Only after that, should introducing this stuff to schools be considered.

This is not true. DSD’s aka disorders of sexual development (the correct term for intersex) are sex specific. Aka each intersex condition is affects either males or females.

Eg. 5-alpha reductase deficiency and Klinefelter both only affects males

Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser (MRKH) and Turner Syndrome both affect females.

Humans are either male or female, sometimes people are infertile or have bodies that don’t have the typical male/female features but they are still either male or female not a gotcha for use in discussions. There are only two gametes and both of those are needed for human reproduction.

I am a parent and I also work with children and have received some training in that context.

I believe in inclusivity for children and not isolation. I would always look to encourage engagement for all types children in as many differing activates as possible. To that end I think educating children about others around them to try and remove stigma that may lead to bullying is a very wise decision.

I would have to question why childless men with no background in child development continue to try force divisive ideology to be the only model they will accept in our schools.

One side says, "lets acknowledge difference", the other says "lets pretend it doesn't exist and for gods sake think of the children"'

It's also not the place of someone whose ability to educate may be variable and in many cases conflicting with notions about their job/value (and I say this as someone who worked in that sector for several years) to be teaching young kids about such matters (that is the responsibility and choice of the parents), and I would strongly object to this notion if it came to my child's classroom.

Its not the place of teachers to teach?

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They have notions about being educators do they?

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"Informing" young children about a mature and complex topic on which even the LGBT community itself can't fully agree is both inappropriate, unnecessary (again kids mix with each other quite happily without interference), and pushing adult views and politics on those who haven't the maturity or experience to fully understand, process or decide on such things themselves. As it would be coming from an authority figure in their lives (the classroom teacher) it's also skewed in that regard too as there will be no debate or informed discussion (the kids are incapable of it) during the "lesson"

When they are older and have the capacity to understand and decide for themselves how they intrepet these things then by all means introduce the concept in an impartial and fair manner - but targeting young primary kids with this isn't education and inclusivity, it's indoctrination by those who have already decided what others should think as well.

Lets leave all discussion on religion out of schools so.

Lets ignore history too because you know, some historical ideas are based on politics of the time rather than objective facts.

Children are capable of far more nuanced thought and discussion than you believe. Especially as they approach 9 or 10 where they are very much able to exhibit critical thinking.

Do you want me to start with the beginning of the post and dispute everything I think that poster has said that is incorrect. Will anyone engage with me honestly about what was posted and what has actually being suggested by the minister if I did such a thing?

Because right now this thread is off on its usual anti trans bullshit that has nothing to do with what the minister suggested in the article that began this thread and nothing to do with what was suggested be taught to our children.